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Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by kklisura »

egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

Maybe dang doesn't want it, but his boss definitely wants it.

Garry Tan, president & CEO of YC, on Flock support: "You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims" [1]

The tech/VC people want it, because that's where the money will be.

[1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by egorfine »

kklisura wrote: post #51
egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

Maybe dang doesn't want it, but his boss definitely wants it. Garry Tan, president & CEO of YC, on Flock support: "You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims" [1] The tech/VC people want it, because that's where the money will be. [1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

This is new to me. Very sad.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by kklisura »

kklisura wrote: post #51
egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

Maybe dang doesn't want it, but his boss definitely wants it. Garry Tan, president & CEO of YC, on Flock support: "You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims" [1] The tech/VC people want it, because that's where the money will be. [1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

"Anthropic to require age verification via Persona" [1]

Oh Persona is also used on Reddit [2].

Persona.

A YC backed company.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48628264

[2] https://help.withpersona.com/articles/7F6BaF9h8Fxf0XWkwQscXN...

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by qwertox »

jmclnx wrote: post #5

It is from a VPN Company, so YMMV. But I do agree there is surveillance happening, but the amount of data is way too much to fully examine. Makes one wonder if this is one of the reasons the US Gov. (and others) are so into AI.

It's just a matter of time until police will ask their digital avatar of you if you're becoming a problem, how your week and month and year has been, what you're up to next week.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by GL26 »

Spoiler alert : Singapore won the race years ago. Cameras everywhere, and mostly : the singaporian civilian population is educated to surveil peers so that they don't commit incivilities. Here is an article about it : https://gcctvms.com/smart-city-surveillance-singapore-camera...

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by amarant »

john_strinlai wrote: post #41
gruez wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not supported by the polling. >From everything you have seen and heard, do you support or oppose the recent rules requiring age verification to access websites that may contain pornographic material?* >80% support https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-rea... >The Essential poll found majority support for a range reforms to improve online safety including: [...] enforcing age verifications fo…

it really difficult to take this polling at face value. average people typically hear only one side of the argument: "age verification will stop kids from accessing harmful sites". they don't hear about all of the potential downsides, knock-on effects, chilling effects, etc. unless they are part of niche groups like HN. and even if they do, in passing, they often lack the technical knowledge to really understand the…

This is a problem with current implementations of democracy. It's free elections, but it's not informed elections. The average voter has very little clue about what they are voting for. Arguably it's impossible to know in a representative democracy.

Not that I know how to do it better, but it's definitely an issue, possibly one that could be solved somehow.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by mhitza »

kodisha wrote: post #32
PxldLtd wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels a bit out of touch. These policies have a lot of public support here in the UK. All of our parent friends are lauding it despite my complaints.

What story are they telling them self to justify this?

By ignoring key implementation details. That's what has been happening in Romania with this topic for the last year.

Constant polling and reporting of opinion, and always phrased in terms of effect instead of how they aim to do so.

Once properly informed "do you want to go through an ID check on all websites and apps that you use?" people wise up quickly to the issue. But state sponsored media is pretty adamant about moving this topic forward.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by john_strinlai »

jmclnx wrote: post #5

It is from a VPN Company, so YMMV. But I do agree there is surveillance happening, but the amount of data is way too much to fully examine. Makes one wonder if this is one of the reasons the US Gov. (and others) are so into AI.

>It is from a VPN Company, so YMMV.

mullvad has one of the best, if not the best, track records when it comes to vpns over its nearly 2 decades of being in business. it feels wrong to lump them under the same "a VPN Company" label with the likes of Hola VPN or whatever, despite it being technically true.

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