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Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#51

Why was it bad for Obama to release much less than this to assure the earlier joint agreement? We heard a lot about how bad that was. Pallets of cash they said, real bad.

because Israel, the Saudis, and a few US billionaires didn't like it.

and now they do

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#52
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It was because of racism.

Comments like this are unhelpful for finding the truth. The world would be nice if things aligned on a clear good vs evil axis, “the other side is just evil of course!” but they don’t. I know people on both sides of the political spectrum and there’s pain and confusion across society. Perhaps one side has more power in this moment and more harmful impact but making sweeping claims, "it’s all racism" is what makes a g…

This kind of comment might have been borderline reasonable before 2025 (though I would have found it laughable even then), but the evidence of the last 18 months shows that one side is in fact evil, corrupt and venal in entirely unprecedented ways.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like this are unhelpful for finding the truth. The world would be nice if things aligned on a clear good vs evil axis, “the other side is just evil of course!” but they don’t. I know people on both sides of the political spectrum and there’s pain and confusion across society. Perhaps one side has more power in this moment and more harmful impact but making sweeping claims, "it’s all racism" is what makes a g…

Stating the truth is unhelpful for finding it? It is because of racism. People were told about the invasion coming over the border, and that Trump would stop it, and they voted for Trump.

You can believe that the amount of immigration coming over the border (and contrary to the law) is causing harm and needs to be stopped, without that concern being based on the race of the people who are coming.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#54

> reconstruction fund Literal reparations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations > War reparations are compensation payments made after a war by one side to the other. They are intended to cover damage or injury inflicted during a war. Another war lost by the USA, despite its infinite military supremacy. Weird. One observation that comes to mind is that a lot of people in the world realize that the interests…

Please appreciate the peace and say thanks.

I think nobody here can agree what part of that offended you.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stating the truth is unhelpful for finding it? It is because of racism. People were told about the invasion coming over the border, and that Trump would stop it, and they voted for Trump.

You can believe that the amount of immigration coming over the border (and contrary to the law) is causing harm and needs to be stopped, without that concern being based on the race of the people who are coming.

Sure, you can. In the abstract, this is a perfectly reasonable position to hold. But if you're actually coming from a place of wanting rational policy responses, then you would have gotten off the Grump train years ago. Or at the very least (if immigration is really the one single issue you're concerned about), then as it became apparent that even the immigration narrative is performative kayfabe as well (many of the despotic "executive orders" are failing in court since there hasn't been legislative action on immigration. the straightforward conclusion is that the ultimate goal is for them to end up failing).

Having been skeptical of the racism explanation for quite some time, I've come around to it. Of course racism isn't the only thing that remains (there is also religious fundamentalism, spite, grift, etc), but it is a large chunk of what remains. I find the analogy of how communities destroyed their own public swimming pools as a response to desegregation an apt comparison.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#56
> “Well, our expectation is that the strait is gonna be opened in a toll-free way for the long term, and that’s the sort of thing that we’re gonna figure out in these technical negotiations... You know that there are a lot of very important details to figure out, that we’re actually gonna sit at the table and discuss together and figure out a path forward on these details.”

This is the kind of thing you say when the deal is ready to be signed Friday.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#57

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Who invented? It's the headline of the article, attributed to Vance. Yes, there's been a lot of conflicting messaging about it.

It’s the Trump admin signature big number that goes on all documents, not a reference to real money that exists or is genuinely expected to exist.

You're saying once the deal is signed the president will say "lol Iran, the gulf coalition doesn't exist, you get nothing"?

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

#58

USA has a weird concept about the future as it were something already known, so they may declare now what will happen, even if the actual future depends on other agents. From TFA: > U.S. officials have said Iran agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz permanently without tolls, while Tehran said the agreement is to allow free passage for the next 60 days during another period of negotiations led by Vance. > When asked…

These are semantic games.

Iran has said the Strait will be open without tolls as well.

But they’ve said they will charge fees for “services they provide”, where the possible service they will provide is not shooting down any ship that pays them the “fee”.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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> Can anybody for f.ing f. f. do something against the snipers who annoy and add nothing to the discussion? I don't care about your comment but I downvoted you for the rude language.

And I don't care about the occasional "overwhelmed by the form" left tail of the curve,

but I do totally care about having here an environment that is _substantially_ civilized.

That implies that the discussion must be carried out with respect and effort - actual, factual respect. In that context, shallow dismissals include "hit and run" (downvote and do not substantiate unless perfectly evident), "sneer" (the same) etc.

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Oh, incidentally:

> We are at staggeringly low levels of general civilization and ### even push it

there is a downfall of civilization in the "western" world at least, and you are focusing at the cursing. Look at it: it makes no sense. It is not even part of the accused phenomenon - whereas the shallowness of the relations is (downfall of the societal exchange).

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