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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by tokioyoyo »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #44
graphime wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.

Caring with no significant action in prevention doesn’t really signal caring. Sure, it sucks, headlines get printed for a couple of months, then people forget and move on.

To put it in the most disrespectful and sad way, it looks like more people have been on the streets for Knicks games than most (any?) school shootings of the past decades.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by jazzyjackson »

aix1 wrote: post #37
re-thc wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But Amazon has a fairly large equity position in Anthropic. Why mess with that? Read the fine prints. None of these hyperscaler deals are $ for equity. It's some provide hosting, rentals etc. With how things are going they can just find another customer.

> None of these hyperscaler deals are $ for equity. As of Feb, Amazon held $45.8 billion of convertible notes and $14.8 billion of nonvoting preferred stock in Anthropic. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ai-bet-anthropic-soar...

Yes OP is saying they didn’t pay all cash for those shares

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Lerc wrote: post #9

One of the things that I have come to trust the least in journalism is any WSJ story that says "people familiar with the matter said" Can anyone find another source for this?

When I speak to journalists, I am always on deep background. I’ll point them to people who can corroborate. But they’ll be off the record. Refusing anything but named sources in one’s information diet is fine, but most people I know who do this are remarkably inconsistent on the other axis, source quality, accepting names randos on Twitter as the word of god while rejecting respected journalism because Congressional staffers aren’t going to get themselves fired over a story.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

timmg wrote: post #5

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... All models can do that. I wonder if they found Fable was significantly better at it.

Maybe the model found something Amazon didn't want to be known, and not necessarily a cyber vulnerability, but a particular way Amazon operates.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by stefan_ »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #35

Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.

It's one thing to have 5%, it's another for Jassys utter failure in Amazon AI efforts. They are nowhere, and the former isn't gonna save the latter job.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by rdtsc »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #43
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon has up to 33 billion in Antrophic, but up to 50 billion in OpenAI. They need keep both of them in balance, to mitigate the threat of being disintermediated.

Amazon isn't just going to sit by while $33 billion is set on fire.

If burning $33B would make $66B somewhere else then I can see them doing it.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by simianwords »

vulcan01 wrote: post #12
aix1 wrote: post #2

Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?

I think it's just to hype Anthropic. Check it out, we have products so dangerous the government banned them, we must be so advanced . (Their competitors cannot make such a claim.)

sorry but when will this line of cute conspiracy theories stop? do you really think this was premeditated to hype up Anthropic?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by sumeno »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #10
aix1 wrote: post #2

Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?

I would speculate that they were concerned, as many people familiar with frontier AI models are, that they are dangerous and could be misused to do bad things.

Yeah... because Amazon is famous for caring about safety over profits...

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by sigseg1v »

ronsor wrote: post #31
himata4113 wrote: post #27

First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. However, I am unable to verify if this is related to them doing secretive prompt injection. Opus 4.8 is far more powerful in that regard. As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in…

$6000 of usage in three days???

It's high but totally achievable with "loop" style harnesses or lots of parallel subagents/agent teams.
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