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What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by bulbar »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #4

They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

> Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”?

I'm not "... liberal", however there are two reasons. For one it has turned or to be very hard to convince people to "just have more babies". Second reason is that immigration workforce is available immediately, while an increase in birth rate will only help 20 years later.

Even if you manage to reverse the trajectory of the birth rate, how long would it take to approach 2.0? How long until you have healthy demographics? 50, 70 years, maybe, that's just too long.

> truths about human tribalism?

Truth is that human are complicated and have survived for so long not because of their thumbs or their language, but because of their adaptability.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by s5300 »

Erem wrote: post #39
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #4

They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

> Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? I'll bite. In the US, for one, every single person has an ancestor that thanked their lucky stars the locals didn't think the way that you are recommending we think today. Or an ancestor that suffered because the locals did think that way. We honor that heritage by paying it forward, lest we be…

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Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by margalabargala »

jojobas wrote: post #8

Whatever the answer to people having fewer kids is, it's not "cede your land to some other people who will". Japan's population around 1900 was mere 43 million people - when most of them were required to work the fields. Japan will be fine. Europe, on the other hand...

The quantity of people isn't relevant, it's the quantity of people by age.

Older people, en masse, become a burden. If you add another 43 million people aged over 60 on top of your 43 million from 1900, suddenly that 86 million is less productive than the original 43 million.

Currently Japan has ~41 million people aged 0-40, ~41 million aged 40-60, and ~41 million aged 60+

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by vachina »

outside1234 wrote: post #15
jesterson wrote: post #7

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First generation immigrants to the EU do not have higher rates of crime vs. natively born citizens. (Go ahead, google it). This is a far right talking point, but it simply not true.* * https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/20635-eu-research-dispro...

When I studied in Germany, my house was broken into by a Bosnian migrant neighbour. The entire thing was captured on CCTV and reported to the Polizei, and they did exactly nothing, claiming the CCTV footage “does not prove anything”. All my money in my wallet was taken.

Yeah since then I don’t trust the crime figures from Germany.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by kuerbel »

jesterson wrote: post #21
outside1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First generation immigrants to the EU do not have higher rates of crime vs. natively born citizens. (Go ahead, google it). This is a far right talking point, but it simply not true.* * https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/20635-eu-research-dispro...

I am not going to debate on manipulation of one cherry picked number. If your point is that crime hasn't risen up since EU started to receive "refugees" in droves, you are either not living in EU or prefer to ignore wider evidence dismissing it as "far-right talking point" (whatever that is)

Which crime, in which country, over what time period, and what evidence shows refugees were the cause rather than one of many contributing factors?

Actual study from actual scientists: https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2025-02-18/more-foreigne...

>“The results are consistent with international research, according to which migration and refugee inflows have no systematic influence on crime in the host country.”

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by lovich »

eska wrote: post #10

There is no “zero” immigration policy, this is a strawman. Controlled immigration is different from opening the floodgates. Also weird to admit that no country has reversed its birth rate problem, but still insist upon massive immigration being the solution.

> There is no “zero” immigration policy, this is a strawman.

Japan and Korea(can’t remember their names at the time but pretty sure it wasn’t those two) were famously hermit kingdoms until the US showed up and threatened war if they wouldn’t trade.

The first Medal of Honors awarded for combat internationally were given to US soldiers who ended up fighting the Koreans shortly after the civil war because of their desire to keep foreigners out[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_expedition_to_Ko...

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by somewhatgoated »

jesterson wrote: post #21
outside1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First generation immigrants to the EU do not have higher rates of crime vs. natively born citizens. (Go ahead, google it). This is a far right talking point, but it simply not true.* * https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/20635-eu-research-dispro...

I am not going to debate on manipulation of one cherry picked number. If your point is that crime hasn't risen up since EU started to receive "refugees" in droves, you are either not living in EU or prefer to ignore wider evidence dismissing it as "far-right talking point" (whatever that is)

I live in Germany and crime has been falling significantly since the 1990s with clearance rates for crimes like murder at 93%+

It’s by far one of the safest countries in the world.

I think the way you phrase you reply makes it pretty clear where you stand emotionally and politically, so I won’t pretend that facts will change your mind, but alas.

So tired of hearing the same lies repeated over and over again in media.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by pezezin »

jojobas wrote: post #8

Whatever the answer to people having fewer kids is, it's not "cede your land to some other people who will". Japan's population around 1900 was mere 43 million people - when most of them were required to work the fields. Japan will be fine. Europe, on the other hand...

As an European living in Japan... no, Japan will not be fine. At least we Europeans are aware of our problems and try to look for solutions (whether we actually solve anything is another topic), the Japanese are masters of solving problems by ignoring them.

Their culture has a lot of good things, but also bad things that are leading then to the abyss, but if you watch Japanese media they never discuss any sensitive topic and always try to paint themselves as the best country in the world. Maybe they should start doing some self-criticism...

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

jesterson wrote: post #17
ares623 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just me or all three choices all the same outcomes? It's like the ending to Mass Effect 3.

It's possible, but at this point we don't know yet how each will play out long term. EU chose to destroy itself fast, while Japan chose slow economic demise. Only time will tell how each will play out.

The only thing destroying the EU is the ruse if the far right.
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