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What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Whatever the answer to people having fewer kids is, it's not "cede your land to some other people who will". Japan's population around 1900 was mere 43 million people - when most of them were required to work the fields. Japan will be fine. Europe, on the other hand...

This will be easy to say up until there isn’t enough money for retired folks.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

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Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

Not everyone views outsiders with unease, it's actually possible to nurture curiosity over fear.

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First generation immigrants to the EU do not have higher rates of crime vs. natively born citizens. (Go ahead, google it). This is a far right talking point, but it simply not true.*

* https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/20635-eu-research-dispro...

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

I think the point is we can't have our cake and eat it too. They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear. And it's not something a country can just decide on a whim like "oop looks like we really need more people tomorrow folks". What are they going to do? Import millions of people 18 years from now? Or plan ahead to make sure millions of babies are born now to g…

They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear.

That's what the robots are (or, rather, will be) for.

More seriously, I'm all for liberalizing immigration policy, myself, in almost every respect. But unfortunately the conservative reaction is costing us everything. It's too easy for them to use "Open borders, ooga booga!" to scare the rubes. When conservatives have nothing more to offer the future and no defense for their past, they can always fall back on that. It works.

Every country will end up with its own army of MAGA zombies if it pursues this course, and Japan is no exception.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Is it just me or all three choices all the same outcomes? It's like the ending to Mass Effect 3.

It's possible, but at this point we don't know yet how each will play out long term. EU chose to destroy itself fast, while Japan chose slow economic demise.

Only time will tell how each will play out.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just me or all three choices all the same outcomes? It's like the ending to Mass Effect 3.

It's possible, but at this point we don't know yet how each will play out long term. EU chose to destroy itself fast, while Japan chose slow economic demise. Only time will tell how each will play out.

Surely the tech culture on HN would prefer the "move fast and break things" approach? Faster and tighter loops right?

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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There is no “zero” immigration policy, this is a strawman. Controlled immigration is different from opening the floodgates. Also weird to admit that no country has reversed its birth rate problem, but still insist upon massive immigration being the solution.

Korea is starting to turn things around! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/25/south-korea-bi...
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