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Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're concerned about that do not give internet to your tv and use any kind of tv box instead (shield tv, apple tv, etc).

So that TV box can phone home instead of your smart TV? What's the point?

Different homes are being phoned. If that matters.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #29

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data? "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!" Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

He was running at the same time our cops were chasing people. Bring him in.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #29

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data? "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!" Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

Location and time

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #29

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data? "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!" Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

No one seems to care anymore, but a big issue that people were concerned about in the 2000s was the switch from 'I know more about me than the blob (corps, gov, etc) does' to, 'I need the blob to remind me where the hell I was that day'. Heart rate and blood oxygen data are hard to exploit data points but not impossible(1), but facing an accusation from someone who knows more about your movements than you do is an uncomfortable scenario. Of course right now, if you're facing an acusation of this type, odds are it's legitimate, or if not, defenseable, but that was the case 15 years ago in Türkiye, but isn't now. Things change.

(Note 1:"Dr. Bootlicker, the defendant wants the court to believe that she calmly placed herself between the agent and the minor he was trying to apprehend, and asserts that the agent's claim, that the defendant's actions constitute assault, is, in her words, 'ridiculous'. But am I correct in understanding that you view minutes 8 and 9 of the biometric data submitted to the court as characteristic of significant physical exertion that might be similar to that undergone by an assailant while commiting an assault?")

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #10

Oura doesn't even have GPS does it? Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

In a society where women are being prosecuted for medical procedures, menstrual data becomes very risky to have handed over.

I sat in a meeting at a data broker in 1998 where one of their product managers was strangely proud about how they could determine menstrual cycles from purchase records. It wasn't just hygiene products either. They already have that data and manipulate women with targeted ads timed for the optimal receptivity.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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OURA is a joke. My GF bought two for us and after a week I made her return them due to non stop dark patterns coming out of that company. Everything about that company is disgusting. Such a shame, too. I was eager to learn more about my health.

Can you elaborate?

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #10

Oura doesn't even have GPS does it? Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

Great, so they can further extrapolate what exact locations you get nervous / are more relaxed / walk more quickly… the understated problem with PII isn’t about any single data point, it’s about combining data to make probable inferences.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US. Apple's policies are flexible when it comes to other nation states. All it takes is a political sea change for E2EE to go away. Apple already has to hand over a wealth of information when asked by the feds.

"Things might change in the future" is a perfectly general statement which applies to any state of affairs which is not restricted by natural law. That makes it very nearly meaningless.

Maybe, weren't it for the fact that we're having age verification and IDV ("protect the kids"), hardware attestation, removal of 3rd party APKs, etc. heaved upon us.

We've never had so many threats to our privacy and liberties heaved upon us, and the rate is accelerating.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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I considered an Oura but went with an Apple watch instead. I turned on Advanced Data Protection on the paired iPhone for peace of mind. No other large data providers really provide anything equivalent to ADP’s E2EE protection with zero access encryption, especially in the consumer space for activity trackers.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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post #29

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data? "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!" Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

You're on Hacker News, think like a hacker - in both meanings of the term - for what could possibly go wrong.

I did, and came up blank... Any pointers?
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