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Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Post by GeekyBear »

basisword wrote: post #5

This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.

A great example is Apple's new in-house cellular modem design, which gives you the option to stop reporting your exact location to your cellular provider.

The best way to prevent the Feds from getting access to customer data is to not collect it in the first place.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Post by jjice »

jeroenhd wrote: post #7
basisword wrote: post #5

This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.

Google's Health Connect system doesn't share this data either (without a consent prompt for third party apps, off course). This is to the point where I wish it would just support some kind of sync, because two devices hooked up to the same accounts need a third party app to transfer the health info. Apple is subject to the same laws Oura is. The competition is too.

I believe the Apple one is E2E encrypted so they physically can't give useful data. Thats the core issue with Oura here.

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Post by mmh0000 »

basisword wrote: post #5

This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.

You may want to reevaluate.

Apple has a great PR (propaganda) department that has convinced many people they respect your privacy. In truth, they do not. They're "better" than Google, but only slightly. And only so slightly that realistically it doesn't matter.

"Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo

It happened in the UK; it will not be long before it happens in the US.

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Also, USA: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36084244

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Also, France, Germany, Australia, Brazil, Japan: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/pdf/requests-2024-H...

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Also, Russia: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/apple-fil...

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Also, China: https://www.article19.org/resources/apple-cares-about-digita...

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Also in general: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Post by GeekyBear »

echelon wrote: post #16
haritha-j wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah there's no one I'd trust with my personal data except Apple. Their track record of refusing to bow down to the feds has been golden. 24 carat infact.

In the US. Apple's policies are flexible when it comes to other nation states. All it takes is a political sea change for E2EE to go away. Apple already has to hand over a wealth of information when asked by the feds.

Apple literally removed encrypted file storage as a feature in the UK rather than comply with demands for access to encrypted customer data from the UK government.

Previously, they refused US government demands for a backdoor that would allow them to unlock locked devices.

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Post by permutations »

mystraline wrote: post #2

I was definitely interested in some sort of comprehensive sensor bundle for my healthcare. But every one of these devices demands some Android/Apple app, and shipping all my health data to basically non-HIPAA data brokers. Id be all over a local-only no-data-exfiltration health tracker. But the companies do NOT want to provide that. I, uh, guess, "go surveillance capitalism", for more choices?

I will once again proselytize for the new pebble time 2 (I am quite a fan of it). Open source and comes with standard sensors for health monitoring (6 axis imu, heart rate monitor, SpO2). Health data can be kept and analyzed on your phone and there are various apps that can do so. Suffice to say there are “surveillance-free” options out there, and if you’re not satisfied with current app options it is easy to hack your own together

Re: Oura says it gets government demands for user data

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Post by amarant »

What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data?

"Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!"

Edit: to be clear, the government is requesting the data, so clearly they're doing something with it... But what? I don't see it!

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