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The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I don't think it's the demographics that have changed, but the state of the internet, and the awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem. Of course the likely end result is going to be that legitimate news will disappear from Facebook and there will only be misinformation left. I'd rather see them address the spread of misinformation instead of the spread of quality news.

> awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem.

The legacy consolidated news organizations getting a sweet free new revenue stream are glad that they've been able to convince so many people that big tech linking to them is actually a "stranglehold" and a problem!

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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I think they should be able to show the link, and like a normal one sentence link text, but not a large snippet, images, etc

They only show what the website gives them through opengraph tags. If the site doesn’t want to give up that information they can remove the opengraph tags. Even still, fair use should allow Facebook to summarise the contents of the link if they wanted to (but they don’t do that).

Sure, but then proper monopoly laws would ban most of what meta does.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Canada passed a similar bill a few years ago causing meta to stop showing Canadian news content on their platforms. It didn’t really impact them financially or user wise. So the same thing will probably happen in Italy.

Canadian news might've been easier to replace with American news outlets due to the deep ties between the two and the shared language. I doubt this would be the case for Italian news.

All news links are blocked on FB in Canada, including American sources

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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I think they should be able to show the link, and like a normal one sentence link text, but not a large snippet, images, etc

They are displaying the snippet and image the website is giving them for a preview.

But they're also prioritizing news sources with such snippets, which forces publishers to have them or lose traffic to competitors, because Facebook is taking advantage of a dominant position in the market.

That's what they're arguing about, it's literally the same thing that happened with Google news (and was negotiated) years ago.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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I don't think it's the demographics that have changed, but the state of the internet, and the awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem. Of course the likely end result is going to be that legitimate news will disappear from Facebook and there will only be misinformation left. I'd rather see them address the spread of misinformation instead of the spread of quality news.

> awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem. The legacy consolidated news organizations getting a sweet free new revenue stream are glad that they've been able to convince so many people that big tech linking to them is actually a "stranglehold" and a problem!

Well, while I am not saying this is incorrect, I also fail to see why US mega-corporations should proxy-control europeans.

I trust neither involved side here, ever since the EU tries to push for age snifing and abolishing VPNs. At the same time US corporations ruin a LOT of the world wide web, and that continues. I don't think we need to accept this anylonger. Out with them.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Why do they show Italian news before? Because it makes them money.

Canada passed a similar bill a few years ago causing meta to stop showing Canadian news content on their platforms. It didn’t really impact them financially or user wise. So the same thing will probably happen in Italy.

Soon they can only show US news. Then they become irrelevant to the rest of the world.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

>The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding

I don't think it has. Meta has been pretty much hated on HN since the beginning. And has only gotten worse and peaked during 2020. It is not about linking information, it is about Facebook.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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They only show what the website gives them through opengraph tags. If the site doesn’t want to give up that information they can remove the opengraph tags. Even still, fair use should allow Facebook to summarise the contents of the link if they wanted to (but they don’t do that).

Sure, but then proper monopoly laws would ban most of what meta does.

Sue through those, then.

Making insane laws prohibiting people to talk about facts they've seen elsewhere won't help.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

I don't think it's the demographics that have changed, but the state of the internet, and the awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem. Of course the likely end result is going to be that legitimate news will disappear from Facebook and there will only be misinformation left. I'd rather see them address the spread of misinformation instead of the spread of quality news.

>I don't think it's the demographics that have changed, but the state of the internet, and the awareness that big tech's stranglehold over our media is a problem.

The less charitable interpretation is that interest groups are just harnessing the current kneejerk reaction for anything anti-"big tech" to serve their own interests. See also: people being theoretically in favor of affordable housing, but are also against "greedy developers" and "luxury condos" so nothing gets built.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person. Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a comm…

>The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding I don't think it has. Meta has been pretty much hated on HN since the beginning. And has only gotten worse and peaked during 2020. It is not about linking information, it is about Facebook.

What's changed is that people are so focused on harming Meta that they're willing to set a precedence for a link tax.
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