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The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

#11

Does this mean HN will have to pay for all the links too? Tired of this overregulation

Meta doesn't have to pay for the links. It's the summaries. I suspect the publishers would welcome the links, as they'd drive traffic and ad revenue. Instead, Meta is siphoning the revenue by summarizing the content.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #5

It so nice to see megacorps not being allowed to whatever they like as in the US. The EU has regulations and standards. If you don't follow them you can't just try to sue the body. Just follow the rules like you're supposed to. It's quite simply really.

They already did this with Canada. Meta decided to stop showing news links in Canada. [1] Presumably, it would choose the same thing here. [1] https://www.facebook.com/sureshsingaratnam/posts/so-meta-is-...

Yes, meta took the salt-the-earth approach. Rather then allow users to post links and meta not summarize the content, meta is now destroying its own value for Canadians.

These hypercorps and their CEOs act like giant fucking children, and rather than abide by a ruling being told to play fair, they just decide to take their ball and go home.

Good riddance. The sooner social media dies, the better off humanity will be.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #4

Does this mean HN will have to pay for all the links too? Tired of this overregulation

Why not? We the posters are providing free content and views and exposure for a VC fund worth billions of dollars. Why are we not getting kickbacks?

Because you're doing it voluntarily.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #6

Does this mean HN will have to pay for all the links too? Tired of this overregulation

Do you think Meta is asked to pay for the titles ?

They are in Australia, and it’s probably safe to assume this law would be pretty similar to ours. In our version, Part 52B explicitly renders these three things as being exactly the same for the purposes of the law:

(a) the content is reproduced on the service or is otherwise placed on the service; or

(b) a link to the content is provided on the service; or

(c) an extract of the content is provided on the service.

Which quite literally means that they consider a post that only contains hyperlink (b) or a link and only a title (even just the title would fall under (c)) to be as bad as a social media site ripping off the whole article!

This was the same conflation used by the supporters of the law and pretty much every news article about it before it was passed, basically all of which dishonestly claimed that social media sites were doing (a) when they were mostly only posting a title and sentence or two synopsis (that is supplied by the news site itself in its meta tags!!)

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #5

It so nice to see megacorps not being allowed to whatever they like as in the US. The EU has regulations and standards. If you don't follow them you can't just try to sue the body. Just follow the rules like you're supposed to. It's quite simply really.

You certainly can sue: "The ruling comes after Meta sued Italy’s national telecommunications regulatory agency (AGCOM) in Italian court in 2023"; that's the normal process for disputing regulatory rulings. Doesn't mean you'll win though.

I'm very much in two minds about this because "news" is not a morally neutral category in itself, such as with similar laws benefiting News Corp in Australia, but it's clear that Meta/FB is a much worse unrestrained actor.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #8

Why won't Meta just stop showing Italian news now?

Why do they show Italian news before? Because it makes them money.

Canada passed a similar bill a few years ago causing meta to stop showing Canadian news content on their platforms. It didn’t really impact them financially or user wise. So the same thing will probably happen in Italy.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #5

It so nice to see megacorps not being allowed to whatever they like as in the US. The EU has regulations and standards. If you don't follow them you can't just try to sue the body. Just follow the rules like you're supposed to. It's quite simply really.

They already did this with Canada. Meta decided to stop showing news links in Canada. [1] Presumably, it would choose the same thing here. [1] https://www.facebook.com/sureshsingaratnam/posts/so-meta-is-...

Yes, that was a great move. I wish Meta would do the same in all countries. I don't go to Facebook to read news.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #7

Does this mean HN will have to pay for all the links too? Tired of this overregulation

> Tired of this overregulation Why ? When the alternative is to let companies to whatever makes the number go up at the expense of everyone else, regulation is the only thing to protect normal people.

You are not protecting "normal people". These types of laws are nothing but attempts at rent seeking by dying legacy media companies that were too incompetent to figure out working digital strategies on their own. And they would already be dead without the traffic that big platforms like Meta and Google are sending their way.

If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one who gets paid. These companies are instead trying to rig the system in such a way that the affiliate would be forced to pay them. It's an absurd and desperate proposal that deserves to be rejected.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Meta is asked to pay for the titles ?

They are in Australia, and it’s probably safe to assume this law would be pretty similar to ours. In our version, Part 52B explicitly renders these three things as being exactly the same for the purposes of the law: (a) the content is reproduced on the service or is otherwise placed on the service; or (b) a link to the content is provided on the service; or (c) an extract of the content is provided on the service. Wh…

Fair enough. Wonder what Italians want to do. I searched briefly and all I could find was "content", which I assumed were actual extracts.
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