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Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by microtonal »

xdertz wrote: post #30
haritha-j wrote: post #29

I was really impressed with Apple offering reasonably priced hardware of late, like the Neo. Now I see why. They're transitionaing away from the making money off of hardware phase, and into the making money off of you phase.

Every company realising it is more profitable to milk their customers every day instead of just once.

I think for a long time Apple could grow by introducing new hardware categories, growing the average spend on hardware (by e.g. moving from upgradable to soldered memory/disks), and additional services.

It has been a while since they introduced category-changing new devices and people hold on to their iPhones/iPads/Apple Watches longer due to smaller changes between generations and long software support periods.

So, the primary way that they see how they could grow is by introducing more ads and more subscriptions. Slowly they make Apple's platforms more gross:

- When searching in the app store, nearly half the page is ads now.

- Pushing F1 movie advertisements through Apple Wallet.

- Ads in maps.

- Pushing subscriptions by putting ads for Apple Creator Studio in iWork apps (Pages, Keynote, Numbers).

- Pushing subscriptions by putting Apple Fitness+ ads in the system setting on iOS (!).

This might work for a while, but eventually, Apple will lose a key differentiator.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by Razengan »

microtonal wrote: post #48
lloeki wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I follow, presumably if these are using the Keychain API they're doing so via the app, to which you must be logged in, so they are already tracking you and the keychain thing achieves... nothing?

There is an interesting prior discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39635616

Started by me! No one else seems to know/care over the many years I've been pissed about this :')

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by microtonal »

maccard wrote: post #40
kergonath wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're transitioning away from the making money off of hardware phase, and into the making money off of you phase. As a result, I am transitioning away from being one of their customers.

To who?

GrapheneOS works great and does not want to push ads, subscriptions, and whatnot. Now Pixel-only, next year also certain Motorola models.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by microtonal »

throwaway473825 wrote: post #46
shantara wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quality of Apple maps is highly dependent on where you live. Every time I check their release notes, I see “we’ve added a custom 3d model for this one landmark in a random US city”, which has zero impact on me or 99.99% of their users. Meanwhile, in my home city it took more than 3 months for a newly opened gym to appear of Apple maps, way way slower than on Google or OSM maps.

Of the big tech companies, Apple is definitely the one that has embraced America First the most. If you live outside the US, you get features later (if at all) and have to pay more for that privilege.

Google Pixel likes to have a word.

(Its redeeming feature is that you can install other OSes though.)

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by Razengan »

lloeki wrote: post #26
Razengan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple claims to be the champion of privacy While letting Facebook, TikTok and others secretly track you for years, across devices AND DEVICE REINSTALLS, through Apple's iCloud Keychain API, to store data that users cannot see or delete on iOS, except through the macOS Keychain app, and even then it's dubious if that's all that's actually stored.

I'm not sure I follow, presumably if these are using the Keychain API they're doing so via the app, to which you must be logged in, so they are already tracking you and the keychain thing achieves... nothing?

Even if you delete and reinstall the app, it remembers your logins and who you are. Even after you wipe the iPhone/iPad and setup with the same Apple ID/iCloud account.

Discord automatically logged me in ON A NEW IPAD, because I signed into the same Apple ID/iCloud account.

and I assume all the other apps from a company can share that info, like Facebook ↔ WhatsApp

Funnily enough, Apple allowed users to delete that data when deleting an app, during an iOS beta, but removed that feature before release, heavily in favor of the spyware and against users.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by microtonal »

Razengan wrote: post #52
microtonal wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an interesting prior discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39635616

Started by me! No one else seems to know/care over the many years I've been pissed about this :')

Keep up the good fight!

My personal pet peeve is that a lot of people seem to believe that disabling Allow Apps to Request to Track disables in-app trackers.

Carefully formulated by Apple to give completely the wrong impression (only blocks identifiers like IDFA.)

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by hurfdurf »

coldtea wrote: post #47
avazhi wrote: post #31

Any indications the new CEO will be less inclined to embrace enshittification like this? I say enshittification but it’s a bit of a misnomer because Apple Maps hasn’t ever really not been shit, but anyway…

> Any indications the new CEO will be less inclined to embrace enshittification like this? The linked page for ads on maps says "Coming soon". He didn't cut it off, so looks like he'll be complicit in the enshitification

New one isn't taking over until September.
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