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Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dcrazy wrote: post #44
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers This sums it up well. If this were in New York, I’d be on the owner’s side (provided the food lives up). In Santa Cruz, it’s just tone deaf to (a) not involve the community in the design process, (b) not take the hint from the reviews and then (c) play the victim in the media.

Maybe Santa Cruz residents should grow up. Thankfully we seem to be making progress against this NIMBY micromanaging culture up here in SF.

> Maybe Santa Cruz residents should grow up

It's their town. Also, I can't help but wonder why the owner didn't fight fire with playful fire–her place is literally called the salty otter. Be lovably salty!

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by estimator7292 »

huhkerrf wrote: post #4

> One remaining one-star review on Google reads, “Their logo is AI generated, if they can’t make the effort to create a logo they definitely won’t make the effort to cook good food.” I'm not sure what it's called, but there has to be a name for this logical error.

AI models are explicitly sold and advertised as a way to reduce labor cost to zero. If you want to reduce your cost to zero in one area (at the expense of other real people) you most likely will seek to drive costs to zero in other areas (at the expense of your customers).

I don't think that's a logical error at all. That is the explicit and overtly stated plan and promise of AI.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by adamsmark »

joshribakoff wrote: post #22

This isn’t just a story about an AI logo, it’s a story about locals who feel the business they frequented was replaced by someone trying to make a quick buck. And an owner who believes that means the locals want to “destroy” her business. Im not choosing a side, but it doesn’t seem like they have a strong future with or without a logo. That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers. Many of the surrounding restau…

Echoing that. 99 Bottles really was an institution. It had the feel of a proper local pub: warm, a little scruffy, and full of character. The walls were covered with bottle caps from all kinds of beer brands — probably more than 99, honestly.

And if you made it through all 99 beers on their list, you got a small plaque on the wall, about the size of one of those e-ink grocery price tags. It was a great tavern-like atmosphere, and the kind of place that felt increasingly rare even before it was gone.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by H4lcyon »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #42
npinsker wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this isn’t a logical error at all. If you don’t have taste in one area — actually, it’s even worse, you’re not even aware of your own lack of taste — why would I trust your taste in another area?

Why would lack of taste in graphic design be even remotely related to lack of taste in food preparation? It's like arguing you wouldn't trust a lawyer with a medical negligence case if they can't suture a wound. Or you wouldn't trust a graphic designer with a restaurant logo if they can't make good scrambled eggs.

This is assuming that the owner is also the chef, and exclusively concerned with cooking. Being a restaurateur is a multi-disciplinary job. The owner's job is literally to have good taste in all areas of the restaurant business: food, interior design, hospitality, branding and marketing, etc. No one is saying that they have to be a graphic designer. The obvious answer here was to have the good sense to hire a local college art student for like $300 to make an endearing and meaningful logo.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by scoofy »

adamsmark wrote: post #53
joshribakoff wrote: post #22

This isn’t just a story about an AI logo, it’s a story about locals who feel the business they frequented was replaced by someone trying to make a quick buck. And an owner who believes that means the locals want to “destroy” her business. Im not choosing a side, but it doesn’t seem like they have a strong future with or without a logo. That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers. Many of the surrounding restau…

Echoing that. 99 Bottles really was an institution. It had the feel of a proper local pub: warm, a little scruffy, and full of character. The walls were covered with bottle caps from all kinds of beer brands — probably more than 99, honestly. And if you made it through all 99 beers on their list, you got a small plaque on the wall, about the size of one of those e-ink grocery price tags. It was a great tavern-like at…

I just am always in awe of successful business owners who don't leverage their success into a business loan to buy the building or one nearby. I grew up in Austin, and there are a few businesses that have no business still sitting on their little plots to obvious places are: El Patio and Dirty Martin's. How are they able to stumble along with low prices and old school menus? Well, they own the property they sit on.

Time and time again, I see businesses fighting against rent-seeking landlords who are happy to remove a well-loved successful business for an extra few hundred a month. It's happening right now to Yard Bar (my favorite weird spot in Austin right now).

I know it's a thin margin business, but I wish every successful spot would take every damn dollar they made and at least by a comparable property so they have leverage against these landlords. It's a pointless destruction of value that doesn't have to happen to profitable well loved businesses.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by recursive »

mc32 wrote: post #27
recursive wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 star reviews, wherever they exist, are always left by a small percentage of patrons. And jealousy has nothing to do with it. Despite all the marketing budgets and hype wave, you can't force people to tolerate this stuff.

Sure but it’s not organic -it’s organized by malcontents. They’re not voting on the food or hygiene but on their purist perception of what and how a logo should look and be made. If they were blind they couldn’t give a rats ass.

If you're running a retail facing business you're going to have to reckon with the fact that people have opinions about things. And they might have reasons you think are logically unsound. Trying to debate them will probably not be very fruitful. If I saw two restaurants and one had an AI logo I'd go to the other one. Regardless of whether anyone tries to argue that I committed a logical fallacy.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bwb wrote: post #38

I run a Reddit group. Someone thought a fantasy book cover was AI art, and everyone piled on, talked crap, attacked the author, etc. Turns out 100% human by a well-known artist. We had to make a rule against AI witch hunts. It brings out the worst in humans.

Seems like people just need meaning to exist. 5g, ev’s/oil/renewables, smartphones, privacy, identity…

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #42
npinsker wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this isn’t a logical error at all. If you don’t have taste in one area — actually, it’s even worse, you’re not even aware of your own lack of taste — why would I trust your taste in another area?

Why would lack of taste in graphic design be even remotely related to lack of taste in food preparation? It's like arguing you wouldn't trust a lawyer with a medical negligence case if they can't suture a wound. Or you wouldn't trust a graphic designer with a restaurant logo if they can't make good scrambled eggs.

Do people even expect anything from “sports” grill?

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by dzhiurgis »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #46
m00x wrote: post #43

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> how you do one thing is how you do everything. That simply isn't true though. It's not even possible to be true. Will a neurosurgeon put as much time in their cooking/cleaning/etc as they do their surgeries? There's not enough time/energy.

that’s a pretty big oversimplification. it means that the way you do one thing is indicative of the type of person you are. if someone cheats on their wife, don’t trust them as a business partner. if someone puts in a lot of effort into a group project, you can probably trust them to take on responsibility outside of school as well. if someone always cuts corners on the “small stuff” like not tucking in their bedshee…

I wouldn’t trust anyone claiming they don’t take shortcuts, because it’s simply a lie.
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