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Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by prmoustache »

dylan604 wrote: post #17
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that scale, it might make Cloudflare customers reconsider their affiliations. It might not be as terrible. By affecting only Spain, the impact is too small for most websites to care.

What other provider than Cloudflare is out there that offers the things Cloudflare does? Why are people not already switching to them if they are available?

Telefonica, the telecom company who bought the rights of LaLiga and btained the judgement against cloudflare IPs, sells some of those services through its business services branch.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by dmitrygr »

estebank wrote: post #18
dmitrygr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually hope they do. this will force a proper reckoning about the situation and maybe a proper fix.

On the one hand, I would tend to agree that making things painful enough might force people to stop ignoring and improve things. On the other, after seeing waves hands at everything since 2016 makes me very skeptical of accelerationism: sometimes things just get worse and worse, there's no bottom to bounce from. Or maybe we just never really hit rock bottom?

Eventually, some apparatchik will try to access pornhub during a sports match and fail, it'll resolve the issue quickly

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by kinow »

oliverx0 wrote: post #12

Finally. For anyone affected by this, I have been using Clouflare WARP successfully to bypass this block.

I hadn't heard about Cloudflare WARP. Found this Reddit thread with questions/comments I also had, https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudFlare/comments/ldejnt/how_is_c..., and also what I think is CF's main website for WARP info, https://one.one.one.one/ (which I must confess I had never head even though I use 1.1.1.1).

I struggle with LaLiga's filter during matches, but I am more interested if it'll help with latency/speed. Have you noticed any different when using WARP vs. without it regarding Internet speed?

Thanks!

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by richwater »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #16
inglor_cz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fervently hope that no one manages to obtain a similar judgment at the pan-EU level, that would be a disaster.

At that scale, it might make Cloudflare customers reconsider their affiliations. It might not be as terrible. By affecting only Spain, the impact is too small for most websites to care.

Yes, trusting Cloudflare to be the arbiter of the internet will work out great.

Just as trying to make social media be the arbiter of speech...

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by richwater »

dylan604 wrote: post #23
e1g wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We actually had to revert our rollout of CF Workers because enough of our users were in Spain and couldn’t access endpoints at seemingly arbitrary times (due to the matches)

They are only seemingly arbitrary to people that are not actually paying attention. Now that people are, the blocks are known in advance to those that look at a the schedule. Sure, it sucks to have to build this into your own schedule, but that's better than it happening "unexpectedly". You could do something crazy like import these times into your own calendar with reminders.

Absolutely ridiculous to make people do that. What you're proposing is not a real solution. The real solution is to not block wide IP ranges at the random desire of some private football league.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by ben_w »

estebank wrote: post #18
dmitrygr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually hope they do. this will force a proper reckoning about the situation and maybe a proper fix.

On the one hand, I would tend to agree that making things painful enough might force people to stop ignoring and improve things. On the other, after seeing waves hands at everything since 2016 makes me very skeptical of accelerationism: sometimes things just get worse and worse, there's no bottom to bounce from. Or maybe we just never really hit rock bottom?

Given much of the internet today, I'm not sure if a pan-EU level blocklist on all of cloudflare (damaging as that would be) would even be worse than the status-quo, let alone rock bottom.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by martin8412 »

pjc50 wrote: post #32
matteason wrote: post #10

Context: last year LaLiga (top-level Spanish football league) obtained a court order compelling Spanish ISPs to block certain IPs during football matches, as those IPs have been associated with illegal streams of live matches. Many of those IPs are shared Cloudflare IPs, with the result being many legitimate sites become unavailable in Spain during LaLiga matches https://cybernews.com/news/spain-laliga-streaming-pira…

Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves?

It was. La Liga isn’t satisfied with the response time of Cloudflare. Cloudflare would not commit to content being taken down during while the match is still going.

La Liga wants to be able to point to a URL hosted by Cloudflare and demand it taken down that instant while the match is still on. It would require dedicated staff at Cloudflare to deal with La Liga stream takedowns.

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