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Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by ragebol »

kakacik wrote: post #15
ragebol wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon

Anybody who had the pleasure to go through relationship with mentally unstable person (for the lack of better words, if I had to guess some undiagnosed borderline disorder on a scale 1-2 out of 10 mixed with some childhood traumas) sees nothing out of ordinary - just daily chaos, tantrums, illogical destructive behavior and very little self-control on the other side. Narcissism adds a curious twist, but of course for…

The more shocking thing might even be that this whole mess is allowed to continue and that there is no way to stop an out of hand situation. The whole US system can't be trusted even when this administration is gone, it's just broken.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by nolok »

XorNot wrote: post #30
nolok wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One, I feel like the "propping up Europe" is preposterous when europe is buying those things, not getting them for free, just like american weapon delivery to Ukraine have been paid by europe and not free for a long while now. Two, the US wasting of ammunition in an ill-prepared fight against Iran that has not produced any of the result they claim to want but managed to make things instable for a lot of the world has…

Every year for like the last decade I've heard "pivot to China" proceeded by the US using its various European bases to attack something in the Middle East.

But even worse in this specific case is "we do it for Europe" seems to be the thing they keep repeating, but if they had bothered to ask or warn us we all would have told them to stay the hell away from it, don't touch it, don't start it, no absolutely not.

One country even asked them publicly why didn't you warn us and Trump's only answer was some stupid comment about pearl harbor. This is so absurd.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by wewxjfq »

SXX wrote: post #19
ragebol wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon

And this is a good for EU. In past decades EU lost energy independence and good part of nuclear because croocked politicians that took dictatorships money while feeding same dictator with oil and gas money. At the same time EU had no proper army to defend itself because dependance on US or a way to supply said army.

Europe sans Russia does not produce uranium - why people constantly paint this as an independent energy source is beyond me. Of all Russian energy companies, it was Rosatom that could not be sanctioned.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by Frieren »

ignoramous wrote: post #40
pfdietz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

> just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries

Are not European countries trying to reduce dependency on American tech giants? China was very successful in this regard. Russia is also independent but in the most incompetent way possible. The EU could do it quite well.

The USA is not a reliable partner. To send data to the USA from the EU is a fatal mistake that needs to be corrected. The risk was acceptable in the past, but not anymore.

The USA comes from a very privileged position thanks to many factors. The government is making sure that non of the conditions hold anymore.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by peterbecich »

ragebol wrote: post #45
mpweiher wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which you only get if you have the right topography for it.

How do renewables create a dependency on fossil fuels? This dependency already existed before renewables in the current sense were a thing. If anything, renewables help existing stock of fossil fuels last longer as you don't burn as much when renewables are generating.

I'm going to guess if net energy use goes up, due to a glut of renewable energy, the gaps on cloudy, windless days will result in greater fossil fuel use than before.

There need to be assurances renewables are replacing fossil fuels rather than just adding capacity.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by nolok »

ignoramous wrote: post #40
pfdietz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

And what is that worth, when they failed to properly protect their allies in a war they initiated against something that was obvious and expected ? The attack on Iran has been absolutely terrible for the US's image as an absolute military power

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

ragebol wrote: post #45
mpweiher wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which you only get if you have the right topography for it.

How do renewables create a dependency on fossil fuels? This dependency already existed before renewables in the current sense were a thing. If anything, renewables help existing stock of fossil fuels last longer as you don't burn as much when renewables are generating.

The way they do renewables in some places:

* solar with no storage

* shutting down existing nuclear

* natural gas peaker plants

* making everyone to use natural gas for heating by making it much cheaper than electricity

* slowing down the EV rollout by keeping to subsidize gas and diesel

could definitely be seen as a scheme to make the fossil fuel gravy train last as long as possible.

And that's not even talking about the absolutely out there schemes that didn't succeed like hydrogen powered vehicles (with most of hydrogen coming from fossil fuels and you can theoretically switch to zero emission one but you never would have because the fossil one is always going to be cheaper because making hydrogen is difficult).

But it could also all just be incompetence.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by pfdietz »

khriss wrote: post #50
ignoramous wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

Debt, rather the lack of any via ble means for the US to pay back even a fraction of its debt without having the world's reserve currency. Yes, theoretically they can always print their way out, but that's just default through inflation and bond yields will correct immediately to account for it.

It's the outcome I expect. It's probably the outcome the US politicians expect, too.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by laughing_man »

pfdietz wrote: post #17
ragebol wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon

The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.

If this is true, it's more true of the larger European countries.
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