Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated • Hacker News Board

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by cleversomething » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:54 PM UTC

jasongrishkoff wrote: post #15

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

This is an aside, but thank you for doing this work! As a musician who plays real instruments and submits real songs to Submithub, it's nice to know that hard work is going into validation and prevention of scammers passing off AI as their own talent. Keep fighting the good fight.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by cubefox » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:55 PM UTC

Kye wrote: post #38

jagged-chisel wrote: post #34

Tangent: I assume this “AI-generated” music is created the same way an LLM generates text: use samples from a corpus strung together into a new [derivative] output. But it seems plausible that algorithmic generation can be used at any stage of the process. How much disclosure do we (listeners) require? At what point is it unacceptable “AI-generated” music? The answers are going to be subjective. And human. And dealin…

My understanding is music generation is more like stable diffusion. It generates a waveform as an image, then turns it into an audio file.

They do use diffusion models, but I don't think they would make a detour via images. They can just generate audio directly with audio diffusion rather than image diffusion.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by izzydata » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I am hopeful that in the near future once AI has saturated as much of everything that it can that it will actually become even more worth it to do things. At least for me the only reason to experience art in any form is that there was human intent behind it. Thus making human generated content more valuable compared to the flood of empty AI content.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by lacunary » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I'm having fun building elaborate software that meets my needs precisely and nobody else's. I mean, maybe it would meet other's needs but that production would take away from the fun and learning I have building it, and would also reduce its utility for me personally.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by prmoustache » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Same applies to any creative hobby. Do it for yourself. I guess you can still share to your social circle. Others can still appreciate it.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by darth_avocado » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

jagged-chisel wrote: post #34

Tangent: I assume this “AI-generated” music is created the same way an LLM generates text: use samples from a corpus strung together into a new [derivative] output. But it seems plausible that algorithmic generation can be used at any stage of the process. How much disclosure do we (listeners) require? At what point is it unacceptable “AI-generated” music? The answers are going to be subjective. And human. And dealin…

> use samples from a corpus strung together into a new [derivative] output.

That’s kind of how the music industry produces music these days. There are a few song writers that write for most artists, music producers who sample other music to string together songs for most artists etc. That’s why most music sounds the same and why AI generated music can be indistinguishable from mainstream music.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by taneq » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:57 PM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

The not-fun work isn’t on the song, it’s on you. Improving the song is a byproduct. This only really becomes apparent over time but you’ll realise you were working on yourself all along.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by otabdeveloper4 » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:57 PM UTC

rectang wrote: post #40

starkeeper wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a similar note I recently deleted a whole bunch of automated tests because if the AI is going to write most of the code then I should test it to make sure it's good! This won't work for all projects, but for my indie games it's a good idea.

> I recently deleted a whole bunch of automated tests because if the AI is going to write most of the code then I should test it to make sure it's good! ?? You say you deleted the tests, because you "should test it"? The logic seems inconsistent. Sanity checking LLM-generated code with LLM-generated automated tests is low-cost and high-yield because LLMs are really good at writing tests.

> ...because LLMs are really good at writing tests.

No, they're absolutely shit at writing tests. Writing tests is mostly about risk and threat analysis, which LLMs can't do.

(This is why LLMs write "tests" that check if inputs are equal to outputs or flip `==` to `!=`, etc.)

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by devindotcom » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:57 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #19

devindotcom wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

What are any reasonable examples of how you can verify a song wasn't AI-generated? e.g. Game speedrunners film the whole process to prove they did it themselves. Presumably you had some ideas when you envisioned "human-verified platforms".

music can be performed live and in person. many musicians work with other musicians, labels, studios etc. a web of trust can be built and verification via performance is a compelling option. not complete but it's certainly an option.

would you as a label sign an artist you'd never seen perform? maybe there is value in a platform working under similar constraints.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 0xfaded » Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 4:57 PM UTC

rectang wrote: post #40

starkeeper wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a similar note I recently deleted a whole bunch of automated tests because if the AI is going to write most of the code then I should test it to make sure it's good! This won't work for all projects, but for my indie games it's a good idea.

> I recently deleted a whole bunch of automated tests because if the AI is going to write most of the code then I should test it to make sure it's good! ?? You say you deleted the tests, because you "should test it"? The logic seems inconsistent. Sanity checking LLM-generated code with LLM-generated automated tests is low-cost and high-yield because LLMs are really good at writing tests.

I think LLMs are really bad at writing tests. In the good old days you invested in your test code to be structured and understandable. Now we all just say "test this thing you just generated".

I shipped a really embarrassing off-by-one error recently because some polygon representations repeat their last vertex as a sentinel (WKT, KML do this). When I checked the "tests", there was a generated test that asserted that a square has 5 vertices.