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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by payamb »

traceroute66 wrote: post #37
payamb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the reality. Pro regime “white simcard” people have been spreading their propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

> propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere. That propaganda can also be spread by people who do not have "white simcards" simply by virtue of the fact they live outside Iran. This includes, for example, the various posts made by Iranian embassies around the world. Come on, this is a technical forum, I really shouldn't need to spell that out !

I was specifically referring to pro-regime supporters inside Iran who have free internet access thanks to "white SIM cards."

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by amelius »

traceroute66 wrote: post #20
jncfhnb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside

> It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside I mean, sure. But then being at war is also economically harmful. :)

> But then being at war is also economically harmful.

Especially being at war with practically all the countries around you.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by [deleted] »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by rjbwork »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

It's very easy to offer the lives of others for your goals.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

orangeboats wrote: post #46
sillyfluke wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always good to state if the Iranians you know are currently residing in Iran, for clarity. Your paraphased quote also implies that there must be actual regime change for the deaths to be worth it (ie, no IRGC).

It's scary that your 1-minute old comment got insta-downvoted.

It isn't scary it's obvious. Majority of people on HN are american. Obviously the government would want to control the narrative here.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by nixon_why69 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #40
nixon_why69 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Israel and America can keep it in their pants and stop bombing civilians.. then yeah the government is very unpopular. If.

Unpopularity won't overthrow a government that is willing to drown every protest in blood.

You think the French monarchy was overthrown because they didn't try hard enough?

It's blood against blood, but it's quite rare for people to rise up while there's an external enemy. Russia 1917 is the only example I can think of?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by e-khadem »

maest wrote: post #45
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

> I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with me. I am having a very hard time believing anyone would be favourable to the country currently lobbing bombs at them from halfway around the globe. Regardless of how much they dislike their current regime. Maybe this fuels some "everyone loves America, the good guys" fantasy, but, as someone who's come from a country where the…

Let's put it this way: Have you seen someone's brain on the sidewalk lately? No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have) they find more favorable views of the aerial bombing campaign.

For reference, it has been verfied [~] that the regime killed ~220 students just in the recent uprisings of this January. That's a whole school full of students, all under-18. And then you have to ask, why would a teenager be on the streets, given that they knew, everyone knew, that snipers and machine guns will be there? Just 5 days ago they hung an 18-year-old who was arrested this Jan. They also hung a 19-yo wrestling champion very recently. The collateral damage of these bombings, which must be denounced and is reprehensible, still has not reached these levels either in brutality and in number. [1]

[~] (my internet connection is not good enough to find the sources, I'm using dnstt in a very unreliable network)

[1] AFAIK, Around 180-190 students have died in the recent conflict. Some 160-170 was due to an erroneous airstrike by the US military on the first day of the war, and their school was within 30 meters of a military base (!). Furthermore, some of the other students who have died were the children of the assassinated regime officials.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

jncfhnb wrote: post #18
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

But the vector under a theocratic government constantly points towards failure. So you have one known vector thats disaster and one unknown vector that just mightbbe disaster.. if in doubt throw the dice ?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by hgoel »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Are these Iranian friends and their children the ones at risk the next time the US or Israel "accidentally" double taps civilian infrastructure?

The regime will kill you/your loved ones and brand them as criminals if you protest against them or break an unreasonable law, the US and Israel will kill you and brand you as terrorists because you happened to be Iranian and in the wrong place.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by wetpaws »

rjbwork wrote: post #54
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

It's very easy to offer the lives of others for your goals.

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