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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by dataflow »

traceroute66 wrote: post #17
gambutin wrote: post #6

Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” (1). Reportedly 50,000 or so. Essentially, they’ve created a two-tier system controlling who can access the internet. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_SIM_Card

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

> Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ?

Not sure if we're all looking at the same plot, but I see things hovering above zero, not exactly at zero.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by alephnerd »

gambutin wrote: post #15
alephnerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink or any other sort of satellite internet, but these are relatively easy to jam and detect. There are ways to minimize that but obviously not available to civilians. The issue is, if you control the Network DMZ, it's extremely difficult to bypass. In Xinjiang and Tibet (which has a similar setup) they used to use smuggled Kazakh, Nepali, and Indian SIM cards but that was cracked down. A lot of the info from in…

That’s interesting. Could they somehow do peer-to-peer anonymously until the packages reach the border?

P2P is only as safe as it's nodes. Iran has around 1 million IRGC, Army, and Foreign Shia Militia deployed in a country of around 90 million.

Mind you that organization has been severely degraded, but that only scares civilians even more as functionaries are much more trigger happy (rape [0], summary execution [1], torture [2] are already the norm).

That makes covert P2P much harder.

[0] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/iran-security...

[1] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/01/iran-authorit...

[2] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde13/0673/2026/en/

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by newsclues »

alephnerd wrote: post #12
reliabilityguy wrote: post #4

Is Iranian infra centralized on the similar fashion like in Belarus?

It's way more centralized. Iran has been rolling out the National Information Network (essentially a whitelisted internet) since the Green Revolution [0] back in 2009-12. Iran has a surprisingly robust domestic ecosystem of hyperscalers [1] and telco infra [6][7] built out over the past decade with limited outside involvement and a severe sanctions regime, and have even started exporting Iranian IT services to Uganda…

How does internet shutdown affect bitcoin mining in Iran?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by jncfhnb »

traceroute66 wrote: post #20
jncfhnb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside

> It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside I mean, sure. But then being at war is also economically harmful. :)

I guess. But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC” so much as oppressive regime fucking over it’s people to retain control.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by alephnerd »

newsclues wrote: post #23
alephnerd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's way more centralized. Iran has been rolling out the National Information Network (essentially a whitelisted internet) since the Green Revolution [0] back in 2009-12. Iran has a surprisingly robust domestic ecosystem of hyperscalers [1] and telco infra [6][7] built out over the past decade with limited outside involvement and a severe sanctions regime, and have even started exporting Iranian IT services to Uganda…

How does internet shutdown affect bitcoin mining in Iran?

Iran has been under export controls for dual use technology for decades. Getting the amount of GPUs needed to conduct bitcoin mining was nigh impossible.

Bitcoin and Crypto as a shadow financial system was enabled by Qatar and the UAE where there are dedicated deal desks that work on ExAmerica trades.

This is why the IRGC striking Qatar and the UAE was such a bad move. Even companies in the PRC try to follow American sanctions regimes because trade with Japan+SK+ASEAN is higher priority than trade with Russia or Iran.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by cpncrunch »

jncfhnb wrote: post #18
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

Why wont a general strike work? Not enough support? People have never had freedom, so dont understand they have 100% ability to bring down govt if they wanted?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by payamb »

cpncrunch wrote: post #26
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

Why wont a general strike work? Not enough support? People have never had freedom, so dont understand they have 100% ability to bring down govt if they wanted?

Due to years of corruption and mismanagement, leading to high inflation and high prices most people are below poverty line and living pay check to pay check and they won’t be able to literally feed themselves

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by payamb »

traceroute66 wrote: post #17
gambutin wrote: post #6

Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” (1). Reportedly 50,000 or so. Essentially, they’ve created a two-tier system controlling who can access the internet. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_SIM_Card

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

That’s not the reality. Pro regime “white simcard” people have been spreading their propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by rambojohnson »

BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by nixon_why69 »

jncfhnb wrote: post #18
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

If Israel and America can keep it in their pants and stop bombing civilians.. then yeah the government is very unpopular.

If.

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