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Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them. No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own fre…

Are you not aware of a million of dedicated competitive services for each of this to jump to "self-hosting" as the only alternative? > All my emails, all my documents saved in Google Drive.

How many of those competitive services would also lock the account if something like this happened?

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Reminder that Reddit is a hotbed for creative writing stories posted as pleas for advice. It’s a trend across all of the advice subreddits. They usually have rules that you’re not allowed to question the posts, only provide advice, so it’s a safe output for LARPing for attention, weirdly enough.

This story is triggering a lot of my skepticism senses because it fits the mold of a typical creative writing Reddit post:

- The OP claims Google just banned their account for CSAM content, yet nobody is considering the legal consequences of this? Their details would be referred to law enforcement and they could have police knocking on their door any minute. Why is the only thing anyone is talking about the access to their email?

- OP is a helpless victim in a story where the world conspires against them

- This is ostensibly a request for legal advice, but they didn’t post the one communication they claimed to have received in the matter (an e-mail explaining the reason for their bans, which they somehow received despite all accounts being banned)

- A lot of unnecessary extra details about how the tragedy is amplified, like the doctor’s dissertation just happens to be due next week. Apparently she’s been writing this for so long but hasn’t shared a copy with anyone for review, editing, or feedback once? Right.

- Villain is a safe target like an evil megacorp, with a guest villain of a teenage boy who is also safe to dislike

- OP only responds to helpful suggestions with new facts that conveniently obviate those helpful suggestions, like the response explaining they have to use an obscure bank that doesn’t have any physical branches for reasons

- OP completely ignores helpful responses that provide actionable advice. The real accounts are usually all over these comments with requests for additional detail.

- OP has a strange timeline of events where the “AI” banned the first account, then Google manual review started banning accounts that had ever been linked to the tablet, but it did so in a weird way that happened in sequential order with each occurring several hours later. The timeline is oddly specific with these occurrences, too.

The piece that really broke the story for me was this quote:

> Son eventually comes clean and tells us what he was doing. We get the email informing us that accounts have been banned due to child protection reasons

So they can’t access any of their accounts but they also received an email somehow? Details about that conveniently omitted despite the excessive detail in so many other things. They also only receive an explanation for why the accounts were banned after this long process where all accounts were banned one by one, and only after son “comes clean”? This seems like a detail that comes from a story where someone decided the plot point first and then needed some supporting details to try to minimize doubt.

If you’re thinking that maybe the account ban email went to the recovery account, they claimed that their recovery accounts were also part of the lockout:

> Shortly after, accounts which weren't on the tablet, but were used as recovery emails for those accounts also got hit.

This feels like another red flag from someone who lost track of how their story’s facts intersected each other.

These creative writing stories always rely on triggering your sense of “Well it could happen” combined with a set of acceptable villains (Google + “stupid” 14 year old boy) mixed with a set of details designed to amp up the sympathy factor (daughter’s dissertation due next week, no copies exist outside of Google Docs).

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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This is terrifying (I have 2 young kids, but they'll get there).

How do I avoid that? When is a Google account considered linked?

If I log into 2 google accounts and swap between them, are the accounts considered linked?

Also, I have plenty of photos of my kids naked when they were little (my son refused to wear anything for 1 year), do I have to be concerned?

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them. No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own fre…

I think raising public awareness is a great escalation channel for severe (and complicated) cases that require bureaucratic help from senior people. We do this for other things (like screaming fire, finding lost kids, or finding organ donors)

And for the vast majority of people who don't have access to some kind of megaphone?

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Google really needs to do something about this. It’s one thing for them to stop doing business with you, it’s another to withhold your data from you (in particular after they set up their services such that you’re inclined to store everything with them). Every time I read one of these stories it reminds me that I really need to break away from them. I currently use Google Voice for almost all SMS 2FA after a nightmar…

> I currently use Google Voice for almost all SMS 2FA

Same.

I have financial accounts in multiple countries, many using Google Voice for 2FA.

However, whenever I create an account that allows anything other than SMS for 2FA, I immediately switch to that instead. I use an offline TOTP authenticator app, and backup the token secrets in something that's not linked to my Google account.

This greatly limits my blast radius, I think, because I can access my most critical online services without access to my Google account.

My Google Voice number is the only phone number I've used for 15+ years. It'd be a real nightmare if I lost access to my Gmail and/or Voice.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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If I ever become a life coach for small business owners, I don't know how I can recommend GSuite. Horror stories of "I've lost everything I had with them" are so plentiful I've stopped saving them. Seems like even Microsoft is not as bad.

What would Microsoft do in such a case? Unlikely to be any different.

No idea, but at least Microsoft has some semblance of support where you can talk to a person.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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post #40

God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them. No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own fre…

I think raising public awareness is a great escalation channel for severe (and complicated) cases that require bureaucratic help from senior people. We do this for other things (like screaming fire, finding lost kids, or finding organ donors)

> We do this for other things (like screaming fire, finding lost kids, or finding organ donors)

Also we have public fire departments, police and amber alerts, and official organ donor registration systems. This isn't really the a case against state intervention you seem to be going for.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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This is the exact scenario I described one month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47195943

>Way too risky to use Google services like this tied to your primary account.

Google has no problem correlating your accounts unless you know what you're doing and are ready to switch to the cypherpunk mode.

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