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Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by HendrikHensen »

dzonga wrote: post #37

the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…

What do you mean by "better than Go for industry purposes"?

I don't understand what "industry purposes" means and in what aspects Java is better than Go in your opinion (I can think of some myself, but I'm interested in your perspective).

Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by stanac »

dzonga wrote: post #37

the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…

After ~13 years of working with C#, I moved to Kotlin. It's such a beautiful language. When I have to read docs for a Java lib I realize why I like Kotlin.

I want to say culture around Java doesn't have to change, new culture is growing around succinctness (if not simplicity) of Kotlin, and it gets most of the benefits of Java ecosystem.

Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by [deleted] »

ezfe wrote: post #42
karel-3d wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't use Java since 7, but from people that do - nowadays you basically don't code Java, you code Spring Boot. And that has all the bad things you think when people say "Java". I don't know if it's true though.

There's a lot of programming that has nothing to do with SpringBoot - and I say this as someone who works in a backend team that uses SpringBoot for all our apps.

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Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by moralestapia »

dzonga wrote: post #37

the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…

I am captivated by your thought process.

Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by [deleted] »

dmos62 wrote: post #7
haolez wrote: post #4

I was pretty surprised when I learned recently that the Java alternative for green threads doesn't use colored functions. It put Java in a higher place in my perception.

What are colored functions?

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Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by whynotmaybe »

freedomben wrote: post #10

As someone who has been out of the Java world for many years, but recently forced back into it due to Android dev requirements, Post lawsuit, what is the relationship between Android (Google) and Java now? When can we expect 26 on Android? On that note, why is Android always so far behind? Is it because Kotlin is primary or is it deeper? Did the lawsuit play a role?

I've used Java decades ago (anyone remember servlet?) and I'm glad that I can use flutter for Android development.

Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by mands »

dzonga wrote: post #37

the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…

It's getting better, it doesn't all have to be Spring Boot and JBoss.

There is quarkus, helidon and micronaut for slimmer more modern backend frameworks. jbang for scripting (think uvx, bunx), Tambo UI (https://tamboui.dev/) for terminal UIs, and more.

Along with all the new Java features that help you write much simpler code - eg. virtual threads, structured concurrency, stream gatherers, and performance / resource improvements.

It's not all there yet, but I think the next few years things will come together nicely (however a better build system is sorely needed - one of the things that Go / Rust did right).

Re: Java 26 is here

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Post by ivan_gammel »

karel-3d wrote: post #41
dzonga wrote: post #37

the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…

I didn't use Java since 7, but from people that do - nowadays you basically don't code Java, you code Spring Boot. And that has all the bad things you think when people say "Java". I don't know if it's true though.

Spring Boot isn‘t bad. It‘s opinionated about configurations and dependencies. Its main advantage is that you can start shipping production-quality code very quickly, focusing on business problems rather than anything else. Vibe coding on it is more or less stable, entire apps can be built solo in a few months. And it‘s easy to do fullstack with SSR based on Thymeleaf and Htmx. It is absolutely superior to anything that exists for node stack.

And then there‘s also Micronaut, if you prefer compile-time setup to Spring.

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