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Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Look into vxray it works for my wife's family. AmneziaVPN worked for me during my last visit too.

To my surprise, even sophisticated means of traffic masking like amnezia and vxray get disrupted frequently, requiring hopping around self hosted solutions and updating ones setup periodically. That's waaay beyond what most people are capable of. I am fortunate to have some tech worker acquaintance who live next to my family members, otherwise there'd be no way for me to for example guide them through setup and re-co…

I have 3x-ui installed in Netherlands and everything works fine so far.

But sure, they are trying their worst to block every channel of data exchange they can.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Perhaps they could use an encryption program that uses the sanctioned app as the transport layer. Like how people used to use PGP with email.

That might satisfy message-privacy and connectivity, but it seems it'd be vulnerable when it comes to identity-privacy and detection. I suppose you could use an LLM on each end to write superficially plausible messages and use ~sten~ steganography, although then there's still the problem of "Weird, this user types at 500WPM without sleeping."

> stenography

I think you mean steganography[0]. Stenography is shorthand, used for transcription.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

I have family in Russia and it's a sad state of affairs. Our ability to communicate with them is slowly degrading to the point where now I am looking into self-hosted communications.

On a positive note Russia is now the heart of digital piracy. They aren't in a mood to go after piracy groups.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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I have family in Russia and it's a sad state of affairs. Our ability to communicate with them is slowly degrading to the point where now I am looking into self-hosted communications.

On a positive note Russia is now the heart of digital piracy. They aren't in a mood to go after piracy groups.

Now? lol

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.

Well, they are concerned, however citizens of authoritarian states have no agency in decision-making. It works to the extent where mobile internet is mostly not working in places like Moscow (traffic to a few white-listed sites is allowed). A lot of services based on mobile connectivity are nearly impossible there for this reason (and geolocation has 4-digits before decimal point precision in km).

The blocking of cloudflare in Spain shows that citizens of “democratic” states have no agency either.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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If you talk or write with Russians, its quite clear that they don't care. A majority of them are not following any kind of news, and the ones that are follow pro government stuff. Even though telegram was banned, the majority of all Russian channels are pro-government.[0] [0] https://cedarus.io/research/what-do-russians-read

It's hard to get accurate numbers when there can be very real consequences for saying you do care about these things. I'm not saying I know one way or the other, just that it's hard to know what people really think in a situation like this.

It doesn't matter what people think it only matters how people act. The Russian ability to suffer in silence is legendary.

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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You can celebrate the outcome even if you disagree with the means or the motivations.

The outcome here is still centralized control, which is why people don't like Cloudflare eating the internet. The Russian government doing it instead is the same outcome.

How is it the same outcome?

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…

>It's kind of funny because Telegram is used by Russian military to coordinate a lot of things, so they complain a lot about the block.

If that's true, then it was really stupid of them to allow things to get to that point. Look at the US -- they had no tolerance for a major social media app (TikTok) to be outside their own control, and they weren't even in a major war at the time. It seems obvious that if you ARE in a major war, you wouldn't want your main social media and messaging app to be under the control of somebody (Pavel Durov) who was recently arrested by a member (France) of the military alliance you're fighting against (NATO), when it is unclear what deal he may have made with that government to be released from prison. It seems obvious to suspect that the price of his freedom may have been a backdoor that allows the opposing military to read all the messages your own people are sending.

The real failure of Russia's is that, unlike the US, they have been systematically unable to keep its own top tech talent supportive of their own government. The top US tech companies have been only too eager to do almost anything their government asks of them, with only some rare and tepid pushback (such as that by Anthropic recently), that seems to get severely punished when it does happen. So there has been no need for the US government to go to the extents that Russia is going to now, simply because they were able to coopt their top talent into working for and with the state (with some rare exceptions like Snowden, and I'd say the "damage" from that has been pretty successfully contained).

The Chinese government may have had some issues with that as well, considering what happened with Jack Ma (though I don't know much about it).

Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year

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Well, they are concerned, however citizens of authoritarian states have no agency in decision-making. It works to the extent where mobile internet is mostly not working in places like Moscow (traffic to a few white-listed sites is allowed). A lot of services based on mobile connectivity are nearly impossible there for this reason (and geolocation has 4-digits before decimal point precision in km).

The blocking of cloudflare in Spain shows that citizens of “democratic” states have no agency either.

It is different. It’s just not a sensitive issue - you cannot win elections having fixing this as central part of your platform. In authoritarian states you cannot win elections, period.
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