Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.
What leads you to think they don’t care?
Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year
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#12Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.
Well, they are concerned, however citizens of authoritarian states have no agency in decision-making.
It works to the extent where mobile internet is mostly not working in places like Moscow (traffic to a few white-listed sites is allowed). A lot of services based on mobile connectivity are nearly impossible there for this reason (and geolocation has 4-digits before decimal point precision in km).
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#13Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened to messaging apps, like WhatsApp and Telegram. Telegram is still working for messaging, but not calls. It's kind of funny because Telegram is used by Russian military to coordinate a lot of things, so they complain a lot about the block.
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#14Can we conclude that this means the Great Firewall of russia is working and ~60% of population does not care? Update: no. Russian people who care use VPN and thus are not counted as russian traffic.
What leads you to think they don’t care?
If you talk or write with Russians, its quite clear that they don't care. A majority of them are not following any kind of news, and the ones that are follow pro government stuff. Even though telegram was banned, the majority of all Russian channels are pro-government.[0]
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Government censorship of websites is good because it reduces Cloudflare usage." What a take... Only on HN.
Yeah corporate censorship where your constitutional rights don’t apply is so much better.
Correct. As there is nothing stopping the electorate from passing laws and electing officials to change anything about how Cloudflare works.
Of course they may not, but the option is there unlike autocratic government censorship.
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#16Re: Traffic from Russia to Cloudflare is 60% down from last year
#17Russia has been slowly cracking down on popular communication and media platforms. First they slow down connection to unusable speeds. This happened to YouTube at some point last year. At first they even said that it's something wrong with Google and it's not them. I think the intention is to slowly get people off the platform without completely blocking it. Then eventually they block access completely. Same happened…
I have family in Russia and it's a sad state of affairs. Our ability to communicate with them is slowly degrading to the point where now I am looking into self-hosted communications.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
What leads you to think they don’t care?
If you talk or write with Russians, its quite clear that they don't care. A majority of them are not following any kind of news, and the ones that are follow pro government stuff. Even though telegram was banned, the majority of all Russian channels are pro-government.[0] [0] https://cedarus.io/research/what-do-russians-read
I always doubt statistics based on self-reporting, when there are such strong incentives not to be caught supporting the opposition. If you say the wrong thing, you may get prison, or very accidentally trip and tragically fall out of a window.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
What leads you to think they don’t care?
If you talk or write with Russians, its quite clear that they don't care. A majority of them are not following any kind of news, and the ones that are follow pro government stuff. Even though telegram was banned, the majority of all Russian channels are pro-government.[0] [0] https://cedarus.io/research/what-do-russians-read
It's hard to get accurate numbers when there can be very real consequences for saying you do care about these things. I'm not saying I know one way or the other, just that it's hard to know what people really think in a situation like this.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Government censorship of websites is good because it reduces Cloudflare usage." What a take... Only on HN.
You can celebrate the outcome even if you disagree with the means or the motivations.
The outcome here is still centralized control, which is why people don't like Cloudflare eating the internet. The Russian government doing it instead is the same outcome.