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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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> officials rushed to defend immigration officers without waiting for key facts to emerge – in what former immigration officials called a clear break with past practice for federal agencies Without obscuring how bad is it, I don't believe there was ever a time when officials _didn't_ rush to defend federal officers without waiting for key facts to emerge. The us government has constantly loved to say that no one work…

I think to an extent Trump is a fall guy, even when it comes to Venezuela he was dragged through the mud where his predecessors have constantly undermined the sovereignty of other nations and attacked them under the guise of protecting the US from terrorism when it was about oil and mineral ritches [1], the same with the deportation centers which while they were getting some criticism it was nowhere near the level of…

Our cities are being occuppied by paramilitary forces who are assaulting residents, routinely telling brazen lies about high-profile incidents, and racially profiling without pretense. This is not normal.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

Well, if local police is not cooperating then it's as designed by the constitution (states have the authority to police), to not give federal government powers to make the country a police state. Feature, not a bug. Federals should discuss and persuade the state and their police.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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1st amendment denier

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I get it - you love Republicans and hate Democrats. I hate them all. Can you just connect a few more neurons in your brain and rise above it for a little bit and consider the costs? We're losing our rights and seeing a test of them live on video. Assuming we have elections again this can be used by both. Wake up dude.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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The state police are not "for" non-violent enforcement.

I mean yeah, they're not "for" it but you can see how deploying the PD would be helpful as they're more inclined to be non-violent and also I'd reckon they have far more experience than ICE considering the mass requirements which results in many many ICE officers being pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience put into stressful situations.

Why are they more inclined to be non-violent?

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This is not a political calculus. Nobody with half a brain believes that Trump's choices are about efficiently deporting people here illegally; they are designed to intimidate and punish his opponents while making the US more authoritarian. The government cannot send out masked, untrained goon squads to bust down doors without warrants or probable cause. They are forbidden from doing that by the Constitution. The "in…

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The chaos is unavoidable because Trump is a moron. If freedom is an empty phrase to you, it would really explain a lot.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

That's the what the state police is for... the one that Minnesota refused to deploy to help ICE when the Good and Pretti situations happened.

The state police are not for enforcing federal law unless the state wants them to. That's a pretty big part of what makes them STATE police, actually.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

MN police are delivering criminals with no citizenship status to ICE / DHS though.

They have not been supporting ICE on warrentless invasions, fishing expeditions, assaulting local citizens.

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Is it? I really don't think so. You don't remember the whole "superpredator" thing? Every time a black dude is shot, they'll start talking about how he must have been some kinda criminal. People of color have been suffering this shit forever. Sure, the Internet makes things faster, but the policies are the same.

in that case, it seems like as good of a time to stop as ever

It's seemed like a good time for quite a while...
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