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Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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Well, as the article says: > Per the statement, the large vessels were made to sail north from the Netherlands, around Denmark and toward the Baltic Sea. [...] Uldum adds that shipbuilders made the cogs as large as possible to transport bulky cargo, like timber Once you've built one cog, you've got the ideal tool to fetch Polish timber to build more!

>Once you've built one cog, you've got the ideal tool to fetch Polish timber to build more! It's cogs all the way down!

Infinite cog glitch!

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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> Its planks are made of Pomeranian oak from modern-day Poland, and the wood of its frame came from the Netherlands. I'm surprised the raw materials came together over such a distance. That transporting lumber was economical back then is remarkable.

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I can appreciate their troubles. How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income. People also seem dead against subscriptions. The only way that seems to work is appealing to the LCD and raking in stream bucks but not all media/literature, especially the valuable kind, is conducive to that model.

"How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income?" Some people here think it's wonderful most of Wikipedia was built without paying its editors. Depends who you ask.

That’s compiling existing research and information. What about new research with field agents and equipment? The Smithsonian does a lot of that.

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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We are talking about a sophisticated international trading system that happened 600 years ago. Clearly you don’t need anything like that to make it happen. Let alone Ancient Rome, Greece, Assyria, Sumer…

In your above comment you said: > There is no need for computers or grand design or hyper-managerial government. The response above is just pointing out that although you don't need a grand design or hyper-managerial government, it can be done using that approach too.

I posit it’s actually far more efficient to just let the market do its magic. No need for absurd Chinese state intrusions

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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>How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income. I'm not sure, but we've been trying the online advertising model for a few decades now, and it's been terrible. Pop-ups, pop-unders, malware, I could go on and on. At some point it's fine to just say "no" to the advertisers after so much abuse. Also, there's nothing stopping a website fr…

The site hosting the ads seems like a red herring? Do you mean they could sell or design their own ads? If so, that seems like a difficult proposition. If we accept that most people won’t pay a subscription, and take ads off the table as an option, then I can only think of 2 other options: * charitable patrons (this is a thing, but I guess not effective enough?) * selling other products to subsidize the free content…

>Do you mean they could sell or design their own ads?

No, I mean they could host their own ads. The way ad-blockers work is that they see requests from a web page to other domains, particularly known ad-serving domains, so they reject those requests, take those elements out of the page, etc. But they don't alter self-hosted images. So if a web page has a bunch of JPGs which are really ads and not just helpful illustrations, and embeds those into the page, the ad-blocker has no way of knowing these are actually ads, and can't block them.

But these places never do this because they want to outsource the advertising to someone else, and the advertisers want to not just show ads, but also track how many times the ad was served, who it was served to, how long it was viewed, and lots of other information that isn't necessary for advertising (and was never a factor back when ads were simply printed on newspaper or shown on TV). In short, the advertisers insist on spying on people now. This should not be tolerated or excused, ever.

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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> On its stern, researchers were shocked to find extensive remains of a castle, a kind of covered deck where the crew would have sought shelter. Records show that castles were distinctive features of medieval cogs, but no physical evidence of them had previously been identified. I suppose this explains why the thing that exists on more modern ships is called a “forecastle”. PS go check the pronunciation for that word…

Other types of ships also had castles, such as the carrack and galleon. They are super tall and ungainly looking compared to modern ships, even those from the 19th and 18th centuries.

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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I live in a late 18th-century rowhouse where there is large stonework for window sills/surrounds/doorways all done in a very specific pink granite that was carved from a shoreline quarry a significant distance away. Massive stones, 100kg+ each, had to be transported by horse-drawn cart, over not-easy-terrain, a distance that would have taken two horses probably 8-9 hours per trip, and enough stones that it was probab…

Are you anywhere near (the remains of?) a canal network? That was how bulk cargo was generally transported in the 18th century. First-mile + last-mile would be by wagon, of course, though usually pulled by oxen, not horses. Canals were economically revolutionary, for 100-150 years, until railroads largely supplanted them. They remained viable, in limited circumstances (ie, some routes for some cargos), until the mid-…

And it's easy to miss them as several have been covered over or filled in, depending on where you are and how big it was.

Re: Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever

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In your above comment you said: > There is no need for computers or grand design or hyper-managerial government. The response above is just pointing out that although you don't need a grand design or hyper-managerial government, it can be done using that approach too.

I posit it’s actually far more efficient to just let the market do its magic. No need for absurd Chinese state intrusions

This is speculation tinged with economics dogma.
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