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Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by intended »

TrackerFF wrote: post #32

Seems easy enough to fix, by requiring the customer to bring back to purchased item. I mean, that's how it still works in the real world, at least where I live - if I purchase something from the grocery store, which turns out to be spoiled, I'll take the item back and get a refund.

There is always a Fix to a problem. Fixes for fraud will always impact the majority who don’t use fraudulent techniques.

The cost of the Fix is the issue.

That’s resources that need to be spent to combat a type of fraud that was impossible at scale 4 years ago.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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thunky wrote: post #16
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

The way I see it, generative AI has been introducing a lot of distrust into systems that worked "fine" previously, such as rendering homework ineffective in the case of education, making verification difficult for remote interviewing, flooding the internet with low-quality noise (aka slop) that makes it difficult for reputable and researched sources of information to stand out, with all the implications it has for so…

> rendering homework ineffective Homework isn't any more ineffective imo. The way we educate and grade is. Imagine if people went to school to learn something rather than to "level up". And you earned a job based on what you know, or what you can do, rather than what degree you banked. Then maybe you would want to do the homework. If gen AI helps us flip the current system on it's head that would be a good thing.

No one is willing to pay for this. Bloom’s 2 sigma problem is from 1984.

MOOCs were the hope for education but that didn’t take off either. Now any remote learning will need physical examinations, which make certification pathways for everything more expensive.

Even if you want to study, our distractions are crafted by people who spend hours figuring out the right dopamine reward schedules to keep you distracted.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

> Plus, even with supposed confirmation from a chatbot, ecommerce platforms won’t necessarily always side with the seller.

Amazon is pretty notorious for shipping almost all of the risk onto the seller. I suspect that's the norm, these days, for most platforms.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by carlosjobim »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #26
thunky wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rendering homework ineffective Homework isn't any more ineffective imo. The way we educate and grade is. Imagine if people went to school to learn something rather than to "level up". And you earned a job based on what you know, or what you can do, rather than what degree you banked. Then maybe you would want to do the homework. If gen AI helps us flip the current system on it's head that would be a good thing.

> And you earned a job based on what you know, or what you can do, rather than what degree you banked As I see it, companies will want some sort of artifact that tells them that the person has some basic knowledge in their field of study, which would make us come back to the same system that many detest. Otherwise we'll just end up with Samsung Korea's version of the entrance test[1] which is like the SAT but for get…

Companies can do their own tests to find suitable candidates. They should.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by grumbel »

That's something C2PA[1] might be able to help with, i.e. your phones camera puts a digital signature on the photo confirming that your phone took it. If that doesn't work out due to people photographing an AI image of a display, I would expect custom shop apps to be required to make warranty claims, as they could make use of all the phones sensors and make forging much harder.

Either way, I am not sure how big of a problem this is to begin with, since you'd leave quite the paper trail either way. It's not a stunt you can pull off repeatedly without getting caught.

[1] https://c2pa.org/

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by only-one1701 »

eru wrote: post #23
isoprophlex wrote: post #5

Maybe the extreme scalability of AI bullshitting will offset the extreme scalability of running large-scale direct-to-consumer oligopolies, and we see some return to local shopping, with all the positive effects on local communities... one can hope

Division of labour is a good thing. It's why we are rich today.

Well, it’s either a that, or we took a bunch of resources from all over the world by force. Maybe a bit of both?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mensetmanusman »

grumbel wrote: post #56

That's something C2PA[1] might be able to help with, i.e. your phones camera puts a digital signature on the photo confirming that your phone took it. If that doesn't work out due to people photographing an AI image of a display, I would expect custom shop apps to be required to make warranty claims, as they could make use of all the phones sensors and make forging much harder. Either way, I am not sure how big of a…

Good idea. It’s a type of image that doesn't need to be modified, so an encoding verification scheme would work.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mensetmanusman »

isoprophlex wrote: post #5

Maybe the extreme scalability of AI bullshitting will offset the extreme scalability of running large-scale direct-to-consumer oligopolies, and we see some return to local shopping, with all the positive effects on local communities... one can hope

All we know is that we have no idea what the consequences are going to be after this plays out.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mcphage »

websiteapi wrote: post #4

Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare. In fact, it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart. If you travel and go to some random beach town and buy random item from random street merchant, they won’t give you a refund. Main issue to bridge is ensuring the item is expected as you can’t physically inspect prior to purchase. It’ll be interesting to see how that’s solved. I p…

> Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare.

I don’t think so—it makes the risk of purchase too high, and people will buy less. Which is not what the sellers want.

> it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart.

Refunds were not rare before Walmart and Amazon.

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