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Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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hollywood_court wrote: post #30
Herring wrote: post #23

It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

The South is a bit of a lost cause. I was born and raised in Alabama. I spent many years out of the country and also living elsewhere in the US. But I've been back in Alabama since October 2010. These people here love to shoot themselves in the foot. I always say that Sherman should have never stopped. He should have burnt everything to the ground.

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Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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Post by deflator »

SilentM68 wrote: post #29

I'm not a fan of the way AI is developing, especially the threat it poses to jobs, but it has a way of finding, otherwise hard to locate, facts on the NET: US manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979 at ~19.6 million jobs. It never "stopped" — output has grown — but jobs declined steadily afterward. Main causes of job losses (especially sharp drop 2000–2010): * Globalization and offshoring by US multinationals (k…

A politician that says he wants to restore the country's economic power but has only harmed it further with his actions is worse than one who isn't even pretending to be on the side of the non-rich. President Trump is the product of the greed, big money, and self interest that enabled all of these policy and wealth shifts. This seems to be obvious to everyone except right-leaning people in the US.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

hollerith wrote: post #25
Herring wrote: post #23

It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

Huh? The US South is wealthier than any country on earth that is not a tax haven excepting only the US as a whole and perhaps Norway with its oil wealth. (The US South was considerably poorer than the rest of the US, but the advent of air conditioning about 75 years ago eventually ended that.) I'm going to guess that it also has more college graduates per capita than any country except the US as a whole. Also, US sta…

> US states and US regions have almost no control over how diverse they are

I have an expanding blacklist of states I won't live in because of their broken policies. If you don't support freedom and liberty, you're not a welcome place for civic-minded Americans who can think past their nose. The states very much can control their appeal to outsiders but the demagogues that get elected don't care. There is a collective mind disease that has infected governance since the Gingrich era.

This leads to a self-sorting effect where people who have the means to leave go elsewhere. I grew up in Arkansas and not speaking as an ignorant outsider. I have no interest in living there because of the broad cultural problems and lack of work opportunity.

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

garbawarb wrote: post #50
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> disingenuous to blame Trump when this is what U.S. voters chose Trump legitimately campaigned on being cruel to illegal migrants and refugees. He also campaigned on reducing immigration in general. To that extent, you are correct inasmuch as Trump's H1-B policies were promised. (MAGA wasn't subtle [1].) Where I think we can legitimately say this is MAGA versus Republicans is in the reverse brain drain. America in t…

That's not true because no other country is even trying to take the lead, economically speaking. China is the only country that pursues innovation nearly as aggressively but they're not a desirable immigration destination. Canada and European countries are in the best position to step up, but they're not doing so other than being more welcoming than the US in accepting skilled immigrants. The economic incentives (cap…

> no other country is even trying to take the lead

Nobody else is brain draining, correct. But neither is America. That cedes a comparative advantage.

China’s entire battery and solar platform is built on tech invented in America. They’ve since taken the lead on truly remaking modern manufacturing. But in an alternate world, A123 stayed American.

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

trgn wrote: post #38
Herring wrote: post #23

It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

> They have been poor for generations that will be news to a lot of people in the south.

One of the implications of having the worst education in the nation is that a lot of facts would surprise them.

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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Post by HAL3000 »

hollerith wrote: post #25
Herring wrote: post #23

It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

Huh? The US South is wealthier than any country on earth that is not a tax haven excepting only the US as a whole and perhaps Norway with its oil wealth. (The US South was considerably poorer than the rest of the US, but the advent of air conditioning about 75 years ago eventually ended that.) I'm going to guess that it also has more college graduates per capita than any country except the US as a whole. Also, US sta…

I think your entire analysis is based more on a hunch than on data. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_...

US is 9th, so the south alone would rank even lower.

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

onebigtime wrote: post #54
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't fix the underlying problem which is you being not very competent.

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If you someone born in a village with a fake diploma and no skills other than prompting an LLM can steal your job, you're just not very good.

Flipside: I'm not worried that a person like that would ever steal my job.

You see what I'm saying, or still nah?

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