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Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I use Cosmic on a DGX Spark, as my daily driver, and it works pretty well.

They don’t have a pop os iso for arm64, but they do have arm64 Debian repo. So I just took DGX os (what Nvidia ships on the device), added the pos os “releases” repo, and installed cosmic-session.

It works like a charm and provides a super useful tiling experience out of the box.

This is replacing my M3 Pro as my daily driver and I’ve been pretty happy with it.

I recently upgraded to an ultrawide monitor and find the Cosmic UX to be hands down better than what I get in the Mac with it.

If you want a Linux desktop with the productivity boost of a tiling window manager with a low learning curve, it’s pretty good.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I tried it because another_linux_distro! Sadly, I found the COSMIC dock looks "dead" since they can not implement the genie effect as it is patented by Apple ://///////// EDIT: I refer to this effect: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eOrvbaKz5H4 It is called magnification effect.

The genie effect was from the original X release in like 99. If there's a patent, it should be expired. But that's a weird line to draw for which shells you find unacceptable.

They did not say it was unacceptable.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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post #30

I tried it because another_linux_distro! Sadly, I found the COSMIC dock looks "dead" since they can not implement the genie effect as it is patented by Apple ://///////// EDIT: I refer to this effect: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eOrvbaKz5H4 It is called magnification effect.

What's the genie effect?

Sorry, It is actually called magnification effect (I am not a Mac user).

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eOrvbaKz5H4

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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No? They can run on cosmic, just like they can run on any other desktop. It's a linux distro, it does linux distro things and happens to be built on ubuntu. What part of this are you not getting? Remember when Ubuntu made Unity because they were pissed at the GNOME people? That's what System76 did, they got mad at GNOME because GNOME didn't like how much they were messing with GNOME

I'm not super familiar with the history of GNOME, KDE, or COSMIC and I've never used COSMIC and I haven't been able to see into their app store to see what apps are available. The version of Chrome (for example) that Google distributes uses GTK which is GNOME, no? So I was wondering if System76 forked that and made a version that uses the COSMIC API.

You do not need to have GNOME in order to run GTK apps - Pop_OS ships with GTK/QT libraries so all apps works as on Ubuntu.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I was introduced to UNIX in 1993, Linux in 1995's Summmer, and have lost count how many X Windows desktops or windows managers have come and gone in 32 years.

What's been your favorite? I wasted too much time tweaking Enlightenment. I remember that was fun but I don't really remember much about actually using it. OS/2's Workplace Shell feels like the biggest lost opportunity (and has nothing to do with UNIXy stuff). I really liked Rexx and the SOM stuff felt cleaner than what became COM in Windows.

Window Maker/AfterStep were my all time favourites in GNU/Linux world.

I used to be in the GNOME camp during its early days, even wrote a tiny article to The C/C++ User's Journal regarding Gtkmm, nowadays I rather use XFCE.

The original fvwm also holds a special place, that was the first I used in GNU/Linux, back in 1995, and I got to customise it quite a bit.

SOM was great, it also supported implementation inheritance, and had metaclasses concept as well.

I like COM as idea, I dislike how badly Microsoft keeps rebooting the developer experience, and isn't able to provide modern toolig as easy as it was from VB 6, Delphi, C++ Builder. For something that has become the central mechanism how Windows APIs are delivered.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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I hard bounced off COSMIC with the complete lack of theming. I can't even set my clock to a reasonable format in it. The only thing it has going for it is sane multi-monitor support, which neither KDE nor GNOME have gotten right so far (though at KDE there is some activity around it, dunno 'bout GNOME).

I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude…

Plasma/KDE's virtual desktops are working for me, as 3x3, 4x4 would be too small in the widget which shows in the 'taskbar', which is only 24 pixels high, here.

Took me some time and asking in their irc-channel, but actually the basic setup is super-simple, and was too 'intuitive' for an old greybeard like me :-)

You right-click on the launcher icon, or the systray and "Add or Manage Widgets", then a window appears where you can pick all sorts of widgets in a bar to the left, which then appear in a subwindow to the right. You just want the Pager, and remove any instances of that Activities Pager thing, if it is/they are already present(because you can have multiple instances in different places(leftover from earlier tries, maybe)).

What I didn't get was that you can pick that pager-widget from the subwindow, and move it anywhere you want it to in that whole taskbar-panel(outside the edit window!), by holding the mousebutton down(drag), until it is exactly where you want it, and then releasing the mouse-botton(drop).

And then "Exit Edit Mode" in the still open window, which then closes. That's all there is to it.

(Similar to how you customize the appearance of Firefox)

From then on you can configure the pager by right clicking onto it, and virtual desktops in system settings like you want them. Maybe having it appear larger with some key-combo, or whatever.

During the time I cursed it, I discovered the activity thing isn't really active anymore, they just let it there for the people who want/like it, meanwhile the real virtual desktop thing didn't get much attention, but that may change in the future?

Hopefully?

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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What's been your favorite? I wasted too much time tweaking Enlightenment. I remember that was fun but I don't really remember much about actually using it. OS/2's Workplace Shell feels like the biggest lost opportunity (and has nothing to do with UNIXy stuff). I really liked Rexx and the SOM stuff felt cleaner than what became COM in Windows.

Enlightenment still exists and works well, I just wish more apps were written around EFL so themes were easier

In two variations actually. One is a fork of E17: https://mokshadesktop.github.io

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha_(window_manager)

https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/02/av_linux_25/

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

#59

PopOS 20/22 was the first "as good as mac" desktop linux experience IMO. Didn't really need to improve on it from my POV since Chrome and Steam and Proton apps worked in it just great. I'm doing the upgrade now, I hope I don't regret it.

Same here. Up-thread someone said the upgrade was flawless. I'm crossing my fingers.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

#60

I have been using is since early Alpha and overall its pretty good. Certainty bug early on but now that I'm thinking on it I don't remember hitting any real issues in a few months now. I still think the name Pop!_OS is dumb, they should just call it CosmicOS, as this new desktop is their defining feature and its a great name. What is really amazing is that thanks to Cosmic now becoming an important part of Wayland, a…

> the community in total can finally move protocol forward that were blocked by really dumb ideological conflicts that are holding back Wayland. If Cosmic can take Gnome market share, people will be more willing to move on protocols without Gnome and hopefully eventually Gnome will realize that they have to implement this stuff, or at least large users of Gnome will realize it. Can you expand on what you mean here? I…

There are 10+ years of endless discussion about how wayland is being developed and being standardized.

The youtuber Brodie Robertson does regularly updated on all the discussion and proposals and why are the moving forward or not moving forward. And what the issue with the processes are:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRjzjpJ02WDOsPPtwUqqE...

If that's not good enough, you can find all the issues with the discussion, but be ready for the same issues to be discussed endlessly in a cycle for years and years.

Gnome is not the only issue but they are on of the biggest. The refuse to implement certain things even when pretty much every other system on the planet both linux and non linux support it. And those are things that many applications relay on. And because of the way the standardization process works it was for years really hard to get many things into the standard leading to basic things missing and applications having inconstant support or apps that are just broken.

Having more voting members and more members with some real money and development power and more composites has already changed the dynamics.

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