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Re: The iPad 1

#51

Post by mfincham »

Here's an idea:

The moment the device is no longer supported, unlock the bootloader. If you really felt philanthropic, release some docs on the hardware interfaces.

This way Linux / *BSD / Haiku / whatever could be ported and extend the usable life of the device. This would foster a thriving second hand market, massively reduce the security risks that users of the older devices are exposed to, help clear old stock, keep devices out of landfills and so on.

Apple has already said they don't support the device anymore, so they have nothing to lose by opening it up (if we accept that the reason Apple locks down their bootloaders etc is to ease the burden of support from people breaking their own devices, not an argument I entirely buy...).

Re: The iPad 1

#52

Post by refulgentis »

AJ007 wrote: post #40
jaysonelliot wrote: post #24

The disappointment, to me, isn't with the iPad alone. It's with the new move in the industry to non-upgradable devices and internet-dependent software. I've enjoyed my iPad 1 since the day I bought it, and I haven't seen any need to replace it with a newer model. Neither the Retina Display nor the camera were particularly important to me, and I didn't have much need for more storage or memory. Would I like to use iOS…

Talking to casual users, "my iphone/ipad is slow" was a reason they were motivated to purchase the newest model of iphone. When it comes to repeat purchases, I wouldn't find it difficult to imagine that responsible for double digit percentages of new iOS device sales. Unfortunately for Apple, Steve Jobs is dead and the magic is gone. Now I hear those same users say they are "tired of the iPhone" and want something ne…

Yup. People are tired of the iPhone because a guy they didn't know died.

Re: The iPad 1

#53

Post by macspoofing »

matwood wrote: post #46
kennu wrote: post #2

As a developer, I would be happy to no longer have to deal with iPad 1's. They really have little memory to work with and it tends to constantly run out. Particularly when you try to pre-render things in memory to have them smoothly scroll into view. As a reminder, iPad RAM amounts (from Wikipedia): 1st generation 256 MB DDR 2nd generation 512 MB DDR2 3rd generation 1 GB DDR2 So I can't blame Apple for feeling the sa…

While the iPad1 is noticeably slower, I have found it running out of RAM around the same time as the iPad3 during app development. Oddly enough, the iPad2 really is the best iPad right now in terms of overall package performance. Of course the retina screen looks great, but the iPad3 hardware is just barely enough to support it. I'm expecting the iPad4 to really be the retina device to have.

>Oddly enough, the iPad2 really is the best iPad right now in terms of overall package performance.

I agree. For me it's the fact that the iPad2 stays cool after any period of usage. iPad3 has a noticable heat spot on the back and it really bothers me, it shouldn't, but it does.

Re: The iPad 1

#54

Post by Nicole060 »

kennu wrote: post #2

As a developer, I would be happy to no longer have to deal with iPad 1's. They really have little memory to work with and it tends to constantly run out. Particularly when you try to pre-render things in memory to have them smoothly scroll into view. As a reminder, iPad RAM amounts (from Wikipedia): 1st generation 256 MB DDR 2nd generation 512 MB DDR2 3rd generation 1 GB DDR2 So I can't blame Apple for feeling the sa…

> So I can't blame Apple for feeling the same way. When they originally released iPad 1, they probably didn't quite anticipate how graphical and visual the user interfaces would eventually turn out to be.

Oh yeah ? Apple has always skimped out on ram on every single device and made you pay a premium to get more. That wasn't a real problem on macs in the past because it wasn't difficult to add ram yourself, but now with tablets and the new macbook air and macbook pro retina.. that's kind of a problem.

I bought one of the first macbook air that had the ram soldered to the board without thinking. If I had known that Mac OS Lion and Mountain Lion would've become so bloated I wouldn't have bought the 2gb model that I sold for a measly 200 euros recently. This piece of shit couldn't browse the web with multiple tabs open without swapping even though the same task was okay in the past with Windows XP and 512mb of ram. (I probably could have gotten more but I didn't WANT to sell it for more because I would have felt like I'd be robbing someone by selling them a defective device for a premium) By the way, there wasn't a single PC vendor selling laptops with less than 4gb of ram, when I bought my MBA, even el cheapo laptops that sold for $400 had 4gb of ram (what does it says about Apple ?). I was kind of retarded to buy the 2gb MBA, and I should've spent a little more for the 4gb, but I don't really regret it either since I opened my eyes and sold all my Apple devices, and will never buy anything from apple again.

It was obvious to a LOT of people that the first iPad was way too lacking in power and would be prone to something akin to planned obsolescence. Even me, who got fucked by the Macbook air, knew that the first iPad was indecent (I waited for the iPad 2 before I got my first tablet.)

Look at the top of the line in the android world : the (tablet) Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1, which has a much lower resolution than the iPad Retina (and thus less hefty memory needs for the apps), has 2gb of ram inside, future proofing it a bit against future applications. The (phone) Galaxy Note 2 also has 2gb of ram, as do some of the variants of the Galaxy S3, now that's a real top of the line phone. When I saw the retina iPad for the first time, my first impressions, after the initial "wow" you get for the screen, was, the specs are underwhelming for this kind of device.

Apple is all about the shiny. The 13" Macbook Pro still has 4gb of ram as a standard in the entry level, even though it sells for 1249 euros. I've seen PC laptops under 999 euros sold with 8gb of ram, 1TB hard drives, core i7 and a nvidia chip inside (rather than the shitty intel graphic chip that's included in the entry MBP).

I'm done getting ripped off by Apple.

Re: The iPad 1

#55

Post by taligent »

axx wrote: post #3

When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for 150 bucks". Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a Apple user for ages, i have two Mac Pros, three MacBook Pros (family), one MacBook Air and all iPhones that Apple ever made. I sold every old piece of hardware or replaced it when i needed a faster or newer model.…

iPad 1 (April 2010) ---- Nexus 7 (September 2012)

So that's nearly two and a half years. You would hope the Nexus could do everything the iPad could at a substantially cheaper price.

Re: The iPad 1

#56

Post by css771 »

stesch wrote: post #44
bergie wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android in general has a quite bad version update track record, but that doesn't include the Nexus line of devices

Is there an official (by Google) upgrade to Android 4.1 for the Nexus One?

The real reason here is a technical limitation. The Nexus One and many other devices from that generation have very little ROM space. Typically Even with custom ICS and JB roms this is a problem, but there people know what they are getting into before hand, and also for rooted devices, there's ext2sd which basically uses your sdcard to store user data.

Google fixed this with Nexus S and forwards. So we have to wait and see how long the Nexus S will be updated.

Re: The iPad 1

#57

Post by taligent »

AJ007 wrote: post #40
jaysonelliot wrote: post #24

The disappointment, to me, isn't with the iPad alone. It's with the new move in the industry to non-upgradable devices and internet-dependent software. I've enjoyed my iPad 1 since the day I bought it, and I haven't seen any need to replace it with a newer model. Neither the Retina Display nor the camera were particularly important to me, and I didn't have much need for more storage or memory. Would I like to use iOS…

Talking to casual users, "my iphone/ipad is slow" was a reason they were motivated to purchase the newest model of iphone. When it comes to repeat purchases, I wouldn't find it difficult to imagine that responsible for double digit percentages of new iOS device sales. Unfortunately for Apple, Steve Jobs is dead and the magic is gone. Now I hear those same users say they are "tired of the iPhone" and want something ne…

>Unfortunately for Apple, Steve Jobs is dead and the magic is gone.

Steve Jobs was alive when the iPhone 5 was conceptualised and designed.

Also nobody cares about your anecdotes. I hate to be rude but seriously they are meaningless.

Re: The iPad 1

#58

Post by boristhespider »

bobbles wrote: post #20

As an iPhone 3G user previously, this is probably a very good thing. The iOS 4.0 update basically bricked the phone because it just couldn't handle it. I recently found out how easy it was to revert to 3.1.3 and its actually a pleasure to use again (albeit still noticeably slower than my 4S). If Apple released iOS6 for the iPad 1 you would probably be bagging them out for making the device so slow.

Yes, Apple does seem to be between a rock and a hard place.

Re: The iPad 1

#59

Post by taligent »

Nicole060 wrote: post #54
kennu wrote: post #2

As a developer, I would be happy to no longer have to deal with iPad 1's. They really have little memory to work with and it tends to constantly run out. Particularly when you try to pre-render things in memory to have them smoothly scroll into view. As a reminder, iPad RAM amounts (from Wikipedia): 1st generation 256 MB DDR 2nd generation 512 MB DDR2 3rd generation 1 GB DDR2 So I can't blame Apple for feeling the sa…

> So I can't blame Apple for feeling the same way. When they originally released iPad 1, they probably didn't quite anticipate how graphical and visual the user interfaces would eventually turn out to be. Oh yeah ? Apple has always skimped out on ram on every single device and made you pay a premium to get more. That wasn't a real problem on macs in the past because it wasn't difficult to add ram yourself, but now wi…

I really don't know where to start with this ridiculous diatribe.

Firstly as for your MacBook Air. OSX runs fine with 2GB and shouldn't be swapping constantly for browsing. And not sure why you are complaining that you got 200 euros for a 4 year old machine.

Secondly you seem to be really bitter about not buying the cheaper and arguably nastier laptops. Why not buy them ? Clearly the only thing that concerns you is specs so why not buy an Apple ?

Thirdly a LOT of people thought the iPad was an incredibly feat of engineering to get all that it did into such a small form factor. Seems to be a lot of revisionist history there.

Re: The iPad 1

#60

Post by morisy »

jaysonelliot wrote: post #24

The disappointment, to me, isn't with the iPad alone. It's with the new move in the industry to non-upgradable devices and internet-dependent software. I've enjoyed my iPad 1 since the day I bought it, and I haven't seen any need to replace it with a newer model. Neither the Retina Display nor the camera were particularly important to me, and I didn't have much need for more storage or memory. Would I like to use iOS…

This isn't a theoretical, and it's sadly not limited to the iPad. I've purchased the Apple suite of office programs (Pages, Numbers, Keynote) and I can't install them without updating to the latest version of Mac OS X. That's OK for me, but it's been a huge PITA for the non-profit I work with, which is always struggling to get working computers, let alone modern ones. Because they can't install Lion on their computers, software we'd bought for them simply won't be re-installable if I have to wipe the system clean for some reason.

I was fed up with Android bloatware enough to finally switch to iOS a few weeks ago, but the lock-in on both platforms (non-stock Android + iOS) is beyond aggravating and feels more like a shakedown at some points.

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