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Re: The iPad 1

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Post by shurane »

mythz wrote: post #36
jaysonelliot wrote: post #24

The disappointment, to me, isn't with the iPad alone. It's with the new move in the industry to non-upgradable devices and internet-dependent software. I've enjoyed my iPad 1 since the day I bought it, and I haven't seen any need to replace it with a newer model. Neither the Retina Display nor the camera were particularly important to me, and I didn't have much need for more storage or memory. Would I like to use iOS…

It should be pretty well known by now that upgradable components in hand-held devices is a losing strategy. The mass populace of Consumers just don't care, they wan't something that Just Works , that's simple, pretty and light with a long battery life. Which appears to align with Apple's focus perfectly. I think it's safe to assume that iOS devices aren't going to come with upgradeable internal components. They've go…

What if it was so much cheaper and not subsidized, like how desktops are? It could have been a different type of market, and maybe better for electronics altogether. That's how desktops were, anyhow. And the internet. Phones are getting to be like cages, though.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by podperson »

axx wrote: post #3

When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for 150 bucks". Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a Apple user for ages, i have two Mac Pros, three MacBook Pros (family), one MacBook Air and all iPhones that Apple ever made. I sold every old piece of hardware or replaced it when i needed a faster or newer model.…

I bought a Nexus 7 a little while back and my initial reaction was similar to yours. Now, I'd rather use my old iPad gen 1 than the brand new dual core Nexus 7, which -- among other things -- can seize up so badly when doing something as simple as typing a URL that it misses touch events altogether.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by shurane »

bergie wrote: post #28
pmjordan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm as annoyed at Apple as you are (environmentally friendly my arse), Android devices don't exactly have a history of frequent and timely software updates. The saving grace is that new apps often still support ancient OS releases.

Android in general has a quite bad version update track record, but that doesn't include the Nexus line of devices

Nexus One has just completely dropped support. Android's saving grace is that there is a community of programmers willing to support devices that are otherwise locked/unsupported. A lot like *nix in the early days. It's all grassroots from here on.

If only there was a way to distill that information to the less informed consumers.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by stesch »

bergie wrote: post #28
pmjordan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm as annoyed at Apple as you are (environmentally friendly my arse), Android devices don't exactly have a history of frequent and timely software updates. The saving grace is that new apps often still support ancient OS releases.

Android in general has a quite bad version update track record, but that doesn't include the Nexus line of devices

Is there an official (by Google) upgrade to Android 4.1 for the Nexus One?

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by taligent »

pmjordan wrote: post #4

The RAM thing is a nice theory until you consider the 4th gen iPod touch has a similar number of pixels as iPad 1, also has 256MB of RAM and also gets iOS6 support. They're still selling it now (just about), so that's probably why. I'm sure with a bit of engineering effort, the memory footprint of iOS could be drastically reduced. (Hire some game programmers who have worked on console games! A 1st gen iPad has about…

>I'm sure with a bit of engineering effort, the memory footprint of iOS could be drastically reduced.

Drastically ?

The core of iOS is fundamentally the same as OSX and there are shared components. If Apple could figure out how to dramatically reduce memory usage they would have done it by now.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by matwood »

kennu wrote: post #2

As a developer, I would be happy to no longer have to deal with iPad 1's. They really have little memory to work with and it tends to constantly run out. Particularly when you try to pre-render things in memory to have them smoothly scroll into view. As a reminder, iPad RAM amounts (from Wikipedia): 1st generation 256 MB DDR 2nd generation 512 MB DDR2 3rd generation 1 GB DDR2 So I can't blame Apple for feeling the sa…

While the iPad1 is noticeably slower, I have found it running out of RAM around the same time as the iPad3 during app development. Oddly enough, the iPad2 really is the best iPad right now in terms of overall package performance. Of course the retina screen looks great, but the iPad3 hardware is just barely enough to support it. I'm expecting the iPad4 to really be the retina device to have.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by axx »

podperson wrote: post #42
axx wrote: post #3

When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for 150 bucks". Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a Apple user for ages, i have two Mac Pros, three MacBook Pros (family), one MacBook Air and all iPhones that Apple ever made. I sold every old piece of hardware or replaced it when i needed a faster or newer model.…

I bought a Nexus 7 a little while back and my initial reaction was similar to yours. Now, I'd rather use my old iPad gen 1 than the brand new dual core Nexus 7, which -- among other things -- can seize up so badly when doing something as simple as typing a URL that it misses touch events altogether.

Didn't notice this by now, but i can say that i'm pretty happy with it (for now). As i said in my initial comment, Android has problems, but if you think back to the first iOS versions, there were a lot of problems. Many people dont remember that, but before iOS 4 there were a lot of pretty nasty bugs.

The other thing is, if android improves more over time, it's doesn't hurt so much when they drop support for device X after 2 years when you only paid 200-250 Euro/Dollar. If you run a 2 year cycle of devise-replacing for a price like that, i'm perfectly fine with it.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by ajross »

twelvechairs wrote: post #25

Apple are horrible for trying to make people upgrade - thats for sure, but really, what apps 'require ios 6'? I'm still using an iphone3 (last os upgrade was a stripped down version of ios4) and the only thing I haven't been able to download because it won't work on my phone was a some game once that was just a timewaster anyway. The most important thing by far on a phone/tablet is the web. It doesn't care about your…

What apps "require" ICS? Isn't Gingerbread good enough? :)

The point is that lack updates hurts consumers. This is no less true when Apple does it than when Android OEMs and carriers do.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by LordIllidan »

sxcurry wrote: post #35
hermanhermitage wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still runs as well? I'd love to know what set up you've got. Since iOS 5 my iPad 1 has been utterly unusable - many multi second lags and endless application quits. Even brand new out of the box the iPad 1 and also the original iPhone were incredibly unstable - particularly in safari. Everyone turned a blind eye to it.

Mostly browsing (new Chrome works well), Netflix, LogMeIn Ignition for remote desktop, photo viewing, Skype. Compared to my new MacBook Air it does seems a little slow starting apps, etc, but the thing is almost 2 1/2 years old, still has good battery life, and basically does everything I want. I think I've got my money's worth already, and expect to keep using it in the future. BTW, cost of those iOS upgrades - $0.…

I have an iPad 1 myself, and I am looking to replace it.

Browsing - complex pages (techcrunch is one particular abomination) have a tendency to crash Safari. Chrome was far too slow to bother with. Old Twitter app was crashing several times when loading in-app browser. Applications in general tend to quit a lot.

It worked wonderfully when it was out, but its barely usable now.

Re: The iPad 1

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Post by nilsbunger »

axx wrote: post #3

When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for 150 bucks". Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a Apple user for ages, i have two Mac Pros, three MacBook Pros (family), one MacBook Air and all iPhones that Apple ever made. I sold every old piece of hardware or replaced it when i needed a faster or newer model.…

I'm curious how long Google will provide updates to the Nexus 7 after they stop selling it? What's a "reasonable" time?
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