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IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#51
We're aggressively blocking UK IPs before we even have our product ready, neither our website nor our software will work for visitors from the UK, our ToS will prohibit use of our software for UK residents, and we will not sell or offer the software in the UK. Ofcom would have to put a lot of effort to circumvent these measures to even know we exist.

In a nutshell, I'm moderately confident that this will suffice to keep Ofcom away.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#52

>If we concede even a scintilla of our constitutional rights, we fail. based. as someone from a country that had reached the bottom of many slippery slopes in less than ten years, it's very disheartening to see the West following us.

Slippery slopes have existed in all western parts of the world disguised as freedom since eternity. This isn’t something new.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#53
post #9

I don't really understand the concern. The UK objects to suicide forums and American operators of suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment of extradition to the UK. So if you want to operate a suicide forum from America, just don't travel to the UK and you're okay.

> just don't travel to the UK and you're okay. Pretty much avoid entering Britain or its dependencies or you'll be nabbed on a Commonwealth Warrant and extradited to England.

Seems reasonable. If I committed what is considered a crime on American soil, I wouldn't expect to be able to enter the US without arrest.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#55
You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular. That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens.

It was obvious from the minute that idiots started creating IP location databases in the first place that people would demand that they be used like that... and those demands seem to be winning out.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#56
post #34

>This is demonstrably false. By testing from.. a single VPN IP? And as noted in other comments here he doesn't seem to understand how geo ip databases are maintained. I sure won't be asking this guy to represent me anytime soon.

The combative stance that he's taking really doesn't do him any favors in resolving the issue.

Lawyer: "I've confirmed that at least one UK IP address is blocked."

Regulators: "We've confirmed that at least one UK IP address is not blocked."

In what world is the correct response "Dear regulators, you're incompetent. Pound sand." instead of "Can you share the IP address you used so my client can address this in their geoblock?"

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#57
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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, I anal and also this is more of a question than a statement but a us person could travel to a country x and that x could send this us person to a UK prison? I don't know if doing so would be legal but when the rubber hits the road, each country x is technically sovereign and does not have to honor the first amendment of the US constitution. So even if it might be frowned upon to extradite foreign (US) n…

Your First Amendment rights only apply within the United States, this should be obvious. Nonetheless, extradition treaties generally require that a crime be considered a crime within both jurisdictions.

Most of Europe does have similar thought-crime and censorship laws as the UK now have. Also, the crime of "hindering an official investigation" could be interpreted into this, and this exists practically anywhere.

The only further question would be if the country is friendly enough with the UK to extradite.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#58
post #9

I don't really understand the concern. The UK objects to suicide forums and American operators of suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment of extradition to the UK. So if you want to operate a suicide forum from America, just don't travel to the UK and you're okay.

Extraordinary rendition is still a thing, though; the US has done this several times.

Now, granted, the US is a freer country than the UK is so that doesn't usually matter all that much, but all the US would need to do to nullify its 1A would be to simply permit the UK to enforce its claims of extraterritoriality in US-friendly airspace.

What speech they might be permitted to prosecute would naturally change based on administration.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

#59

He seems very confused about what First Amendment is about. How it would be even possible for UK government to violate it?

Well technically, this is just a philosophical point, but the bill of rights is supposed to protect _natural_ rights that apply to everyone regardless of where they live. So in theory the UK can and does routinely violate peoples rights

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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post #21
post #9

I don't really understand the concern. The UK objects to suicide forums and American operators of suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment of extradition to the UK. So if you want to operate a suicide forum from America, just don't travel to the UK and you're okay.

First of all, I anal and also this is more of a question than a statement but a us person could travel to a country x and that x could send this us person to a UK prison? I don't know if doing so would be legal but when the rubber hits the road, each country x is technically sovereign and does not have to honor the first amendment of the US constitution. So even if it might be frowned upon to extradite foreign (US) n…

I traveled to a lot of countries during my time in the military. I was also a legal officer that had to deal with legal issues in foreign countries.

Traveling is no joke. Americans often act like the world is their playground, but you are subject to the laws of the jurisdiction you're standing in. Traveller beware.

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