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IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by mcny »

beejiu wrote: post #9

I don't really understand the concern. The UK objects to suicide forums and American operators of suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment of extradition to the UK. So if you want to operate a suicide forum from America, just don't travel to the UK and you're okay.

First of all, I anal and also this is more of a question than a statement but

a us person could travel to a country x and that x could send this us person to a UK prison? I don't know if doing so would be legal but when the rubber hits the road, each country x is technically sovereign and does not have to honor the first amendment of the US constitution.

So even if it might be frowned upon to extradite foreign (US) nationals in country X (such as Canada or India) to the UK, they could do it anyway to send a message?

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by flumpcakes »

mzajc wrote: post #18

> The primary one is that the notion of a “UK based IP” is nonsense. Geolocation databases work by figuring out where people log in from and only after doing a lot of pattern recognition do those addresses get associated with that location. I support the cause, but I don't think that's true. RIPE, the RIR responsible for UK, makes available a list of allocations per country. For UK: https://stat.ripe.net/data/country…

Yeah, geo-IP is not perfect, but it's not built on pure guessing like the author implies.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by spacebanana7 »

garaetjjte wrote: post #13

He seems very confused about what First Amendment is about. How it would be even possible for UK government to violate it?

If the British government can pressure international payment processors or service providers to cut off a website, they can pressure those websites to do stuff.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by 8note »

the bravado makes for some great irony. worrying and feeling ultra-superior about the UK government, while letting the tiktok ban and forced sale go through unchallenged.

altogether, if you dont care about following this UK law, whats the need to carr what the UK government does? just dont go there or do business with people who care about the UK government. same as US sanctions and secondary sanctions. the UK at least is a small market

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by jacquesm »

pessimizer wrote: post #15
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

When a country transitions from manufacturing to services, it ends up trying to export its legal system.

One of the big things I've been wondering about the decision of the Anglosphere to all switch to a service economy: why would you do that when your population is both smaller and dumber than the populations of other countries? The UK (nor the US) has no advantage in providing services, all it can do is demand that other people be prevented from providing them.

> why would you do that when your population is both smaller and dumber than the populations of other countries?

Given that, shouldn't you be able to answer the question?

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

morkalork wrote: post #8

Interesting that it's the existence of the suicide discussion forum that's too much to bare for the UK. Really drives home the point that in the state's eyes: your self, your body and ultimately your life, don't belong to you.

Interesting to compare with the OpenAI story about the LLM offering moral support for someone seeking suicide.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by School-Cotton »

flumpcakes wrote: post #19

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It’s of course reasonable to rank principles that way, and I’d probably agree with you, but it’s not true that it’s “not a free speech issue”. It is a free speech issue, you’re just saying you value other concerns above absolute free speech in certain cases.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by jacquesm »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #23
garaetjjte wrote: post #13

He seems very confused about what First Amendment is about. How it would be even possible for UK government to violate it?

If the British government can pressure international payment processors or service providers to cut off a website, they can pressure those websites to do stuff.

The USA has been doing this with VISA and MC since about forever.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by flumpcakes »

beejiu wrote: post #9

I don't really understand the concern. The UK objects to suicide forums and American operators of suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment of extradition to the UK. So if you want to operate a suicide forum from America, just don't travel to the UK and you're okay.

> suicide forums are protected by the First Amendment

Are they? Is all speech protected? If so, how do you prosecute people who leak secrets?

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