I've forgotten how much hassle installing applications can be since docker.
Here are the official docs for deploying ejabberd using containers: https://docs.ejabberd.im/CONTAINER/
Modern messaging: Running your own XMPP server
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Re: Modern messaging: Running your own XMPP server
#52I love XMPP. I've never missed a notification with it and I wished I switched back to it sooner rather than sticking with Matrix, I do wish it gets more love these days. I've been tempted to make my own desktop client and integrate VoIP with something like Mumble to achieve a Discord like experience with voice channels, but that's way beyond my pay grade.
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#53Last time I tried this I couldn’t even find an iOS client that supported reactions. Hate on the complexity of Matrix all you like, but at least when you ask your family to use it, they get a modern experience and don’t feel like they’re giving up everything vs every other messenger they are used to.
when my family used matrix for a couple years the e2ee features would randomly fail to decrypt history and would present my non technical family with that "match these emojis to unlock your account" screen all the time. between that and the unwanted features (federation, spaces) that aren't useful in a texting context, no way to search message logs, and a server to maintain. ... I went back to RCS
fwiw, the vast majority of Matrix encryption errors got fixed by 2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzh2Y7BABQ etc).
Search on mobile (in Element X) is on its way and is making good progress: https://youtu.be/Q6NSmptZIS4?t=1297 from a demo from a few days ago.
Finally, self-maintaining servers now exist (https://element.io/server-suite, complete with AGPL distro: https://element.io/server-suite/community)
(On the other hand, notification reliability on Android is still a known problem on Element X for some users that we're working on.)
Re: Modern messaging: Running your own XMPP server
#54Last time I tried this I couldn’t even find an iOS client that supported reactions. Hate on the complexity of Matrix all you like, but at least when you ask your family to use it, they get a modern experience and don’t feel like they’re giving up everything vs every other messenger they are used to.
I recently tried to move people over, and the iOS situation is bleak. It seems like notifications don't work at all in any app, which is a big problem for chat. Also, one of them (I think Siskin?) doesn't display sender name/avatar in group chats, so you can't tell who sent what. There's also some weird behavior with how E2EE works, which is causing me problems in group chats. Initially it worked, but now people are…
Monal works great on iOS in my families experience. They've never missed a notification and E2EE (OMEMO) never failed. We are using the conversations.im server however.
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#55If you're looking for something that's a little less hassle and has some very sane defaults, try https://snikket.org/
Has anyone done a security review of their source code?
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#56Last time I tried this I couldn’t even find an iOS client that supported reactions. Hate on the complexity of Matrix all you like, but at least when you ask your family to use it, they get a modern experience and don’t feel like they’re giving up everything vs every other messenger they are used to.
And alas web push notifications on iOS remain very critically buggered beyond measure.
https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/web-push-ios-one-year/
I get that not everyone would accept a web-app replacement, but it sure would be nice if iOS wasn't actively obstructing the possibility of some folks using a web-app messaging service.
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#57Any idea what kind of server we’d need to handle 40M users if it’s just text chat (no files or audio)?
Here's a blog post on scalability from the front page (well, sort of, see last paragraph): https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-massive-scalabilit... This includes not just textual claims about scalability but a lot of hooks you can use to followup on, like a reference to the Tsung benchmarking tool you can use. If you're asking about this for serious reasons, at this scale you're obviously running your own test…
Thanks for noticing, it should be fixed now.
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#58I’ve been running Prosody [0] for many years now. Don’t ask me why I chose it over another server. I used to have a jabber.org account that I used before that, already back when I could use jabber to communicate with gchat and facebook messenger users. Alas, nowadays, it’s just my wife I use it to communicate with :( [0]: https://prosody.im/
Prosody is sweet. I forget why I switched over from ejabberd, but it it was quite reliable and had such a huge breadth of extensions it supported. Ejabberd has been intimidating to setup but really wasn't hard, but Prosody was a snap.
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#59yunohost installations include the metronome XMPP service enabled out of the box. it's similar to prosody
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#60"Since 3 years the European Commission works on a plan to automatically monitor all chat, email and messenger conversations.12 If this is going to pass, and I strongly hope it will not, the European Union is moving into a direction we know from states suppressing freedom of speech."
If this come to pass, there will be two approaches:
1. People will not share anything important online, only in person
2. Every friends group will have a more technical guy/girl who will ran chat infrastructure for them
Interesting article though :)