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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by layer8 »

thadt wrote: post #42
kekqqq wrote: post #4

No one should remove from us the right to privacy in chat rooms. Otherwise, PGP might become cool again, or I bet that there will be new ways to chat without mass surveillance.

How would PGP help in the long run? If client side scanning is mandated for everything then the natural place for it to wind up is in the OS. Once your OS is scanning all the things, your privacy is finished - pretty good or otherwise.

You can run the forbidden Linux software on legacy hardware.

Of course, all new hardware will have hardcoded firmware scanning the DRM’d keyboard controller.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by NoiseBert69 »

okanat wrote: post #29
IlikeKitties wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want. Let's be absolutely real the CDU wants complete government access to all private communications on demand with essentially endless retention. They just aren't allowed yet.

They have the crosshairs on preparing the government and law for the AfD take over for the second trial of 1933. Just like the useless Bundestag of Weimar, they would like to leave as many mines and holes in the democratic institutions so their true self can show how perfect a racist government feels.

Same toxic soup (high levels of social discontent, inflation, poor job market, constant stream of doom news) as back then.

Only thing the AFD has to to is to keep their feet still and wait. The ruling parties will do the rest.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by volkl48 »

beezlewax wrote: post #46
Netcob wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that. Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activit…

The Stasi while more recent and more correct a name to use here are still something not everyone knows about to the same extent as the gestapo.

In Germany they certainly do.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by jMyles »

It's great that signal / open whisper engage in the political situation and the pressure on these states.

We also need to be sure that signal / open whisper / matrix / telegram / everybody continues to make end-to-end encryption available regardless of what politicians say.

Math is bigger than human affairs. There is no shame in breaking laws that prohibit math.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by roywiggins »

munchlax wrote: post #33
keanb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.

In the end it's saying you can learn all the math you want except certain formulas. Just not those. Good luck with that

You're welcome to run any algorithm you want with paper and pencil, but you might not be able to run them on your devices that are allowed to talk to cellular networks.

Communications that look encrypted can also be straightforwardly flagged and logged for a closer look, perhaps keeping a closer watch on any cleartext messages, metadata that invariably leaks, etc

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by bikson »

hommelix wrote: post #39
nisten wrote: post #22

I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.

Stasiware is more appropriate. Stasi (Staatssicherheit) was the administration in charge of spying each citizen of east Germany. It runs until 1989. So more people remember the opening of the archives in the 1990ies.

Stasiware. I like that.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by some_random »

Netcob wrote: post #38
nisten wrote: post #22

I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.

For some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that. Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activit…

The trouble is that the Stasi are not seen in as negative of a light as the Gestapo.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by ForceOfEntropy »

thadt wrote: post #42
kekqqq wrote: post #4

No one should remove from us the right to privacy in chat rooms. Otherwise, PGP might become cool again, or I bet that there will be new ways to chat without mass surveillance.

How would PGP help in the long run? If client side scanning is mandated for everything then the natural place for it to wind up is in the OS. Once your OS is scanning all the things, your privacy is finished - pretty good or otherwise.

In that case you could an Arduino, Raspberry Pi, or similar to write and convert the message. The converted msg can then be sent over USB, wifi, etc to the computer

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by oytis »

rlpb wrote: post #53

How does this fit with Apple's pushback against the UK government's encryption backdoor efforts against them? Why aren't Apple also pushing back against this EU initiative?

I thought Apple already voluntary implemented it on their devices?
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