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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

I'm sorry to pick non-technical details, but this PDF is typeset on „Letter” paper, which is immediately noticeable (different aspect ratio). Normally it's on „yeah, whatever” level, but since this paper (sic) aims to influence European policy, now this detail is actually important.

This whole piece reeks „I'm an 1) outsider that 2) couldn't be bothered to get to know local culture so 3) probably has no stake in the affair” and as such is liable to get dismissed after only cursory glance. We know every single enumerated point above is false, but it doesn't matter. That every single word written on the page is right nd warranted, doesn't matter. @Meredith and anyone else writing papers aimed at EU, would you kindly please switch to A4 before exporting the PDF.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by nixass »

markild wrote: post #18
byteknight wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryption is defined as "the process of converting information or data into a code, especially to prevent unauthorized access." What you describe is the same thing just not cryptographic.

Specifically, steganography: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

Let's invent it and name it Enogma. For the fun sake

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by IlikeKitties »

NoiseBert69 wrote: post #2

I wouldn't expect much from this government. The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court). The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power. Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.

> Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.

Let's be absolutely real the CDU wants complete government access to all private communications on demand with essentially endless retention. They just aren't allowed yet.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by udev4096 »

bigyabai wrote: post #8
kekqqq wrote: post #4

No one should remove from us the right to privacy in chat rooms. Otherwise, PGP might become cool again, or I bet that there will be new ways to chat without mass surveillance.

> Otherwise, PGP might become cool People need convenient access to PGP. If their App Store removes all PGP apps then they might have to upload their privatekey to a PWA. And then no one's any better off. If the everyman is forced to choose between being surveilled or using PGP, I reckon I know what he'd choose regardless.

https://autocrypt.org

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by nosianu »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #25
NoiseBert69 wrote: post #2

I wouldn't expect much from this government. The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court). The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power. Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.

> Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want. Let's be absolutely real the CDU wants complete government access to all private communications on demand with essentially endless retention. They just aren't allowed yet.

Funny thing is, the last few times some guy attacked people, a few days later we could read or hear in the news updates that that person had already been known to be violent, and quite a few times we also learned that they were supposed to have been deported.

Information does not seem to be the bottleneck at all! (Too) Many times, when we read about the person responsible for some sudden attack, everything needed to prevent that attack had already been known well before the attack. It's just that the authorities didn't do anything.

Sure, one may say there are too many people fitting the criteria and we cannot do anything with so many potential suspects, most of whom have not actually done anything. But more information won't help in these many cases at all.

Examples (German) - all reputable sources, mostly local public broadcasting (ARD) and one law publisher:

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/festnahme-solingen-syrer-10...

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/faq-syrisch...

https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/messerangri...

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_ha...

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/Tatver... (2nd to last paragraph, he had attacked people the month before already)

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by okanat »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #25
NoiseBert69 wrote: post #2

I wouldn't expect much from this government. The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court). The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power. Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.

> Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want. Let's be absolutely real the CDU wants complete government access to all private communications on demand with essentially endless retention. They just aren't allowed yet.

They have the crosshairs on preparing the government and law for the AfD take over for the second trial of 1933. Just like the useless Bundestag of Weimar, they would like to leave as many mines and holes in the democratic institutions so their true self can show how perfect a racist government feels.
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