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EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by deadbabe »

Filligree wrote: post #39
the__alchemist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the left puts up with it. They are too easily distracted by hot-button issues. These are some of the most important issues facing the present and future of our civilization and biosphere. I wish I had a solution, or knew the step to take. I suspect one of the root causes is the narrative, e.g. from news agencies, is being controlled by the propagators of the problem.

What do you propose they do?

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by sedawkgrep »

estebarb wrote: post #34

I understand that these dumb decisions are mostly profit motivated. But nobody stops to think that the reaction abroad may be: do not eat anything produced at USA?

If you view all this through the lens of the goal of administration being to weaken the US both internally and as a world power, it all comes much more clearly into focus.

Then it can be seen as no longer a disparate collection of seemingly random political, social, and economic moves, but rather as a directed, intentional movement.

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by [deleted] »

cluckindan wrote: post #50
the__alchemist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the left puts up with it. They are too easily distracted by hot-button issues. These are some of the most important issues facing the present and future of our civilization and biosphere. I wish I had a solution, or knew the step to take. I suspect one of the root causes is the narrative, e.g. from news agencies, is being controlled by the propagators of the problem.

Again with the left vs. right. Are you really that easy to divide into two diametrically opposed groups?

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by thrance »

thegrim33 wrote: post #43
chung8123 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

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What's up to debate here? It's crystal clear: they removed important health regulations so that a few companies could make slightly more money not having to clean up after themselves. What's not to hate there?

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by sedawkgrep »

he0001 wrote: post #4

Does anyone know why this is done? What is the reasoning here? Is this defendable in any way?

If you view all this through the lens of the goal of administration being to weaken the US both internally and as a world power, it all comes much more clearly into focus.

Then it can be seen as no longer a disparate collection of seemingly random political, social, and economic moves, but rather as a directed, intentional movement.

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by spankalee »

chung8123 wrote: post #33
Apreche wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

It's not a debate style, this is the actual explanation.

Do you think you have a better one?

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by zug_zug »

chung8123 wrote: post #33
Apreche wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

I understand this may look dismissive or blamey, but sometimes (actually a shocking amount) there aren’t equal merits to both sides…

I’ve looked into this a lot and there isn’t any strong argument I’ve seen that this is good for humanity, and let’s not pretend every political action is a sincere attempt to improve the world for all equally.

If you look into all the abuse heaped upon the man who discovered leaded gasoline was bad it helps give context on just how far some people will go for their own profits.

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by actionfromafar »

hypeatei wrote: post #49
the__alchemist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the left puts up with it. They are too easily distracted by hot-button issues. These are some of the most important issues facing the present and future of our civilization and biosphere. I wish I had a solution, or knew the step to take. I suspect one of the root causes is the narrative, e.g. from news agencies, is being controlled by the propagators of the problem.

The left doesn't hold power in any branch of government right now. The most they can do before midterms is cause a government shutdown, but that can backfire unless messaging/demands are perfect.

Messaging should probably be "follow the law". Until that happens, voting in the house is just charades.

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by the__alchemist »

cluckindan wrote: post #50
the__alchemist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the left puts up with it. They are too easily distracted by hot-button issues. These are some of the most important issues facing the present and future of our civilization and biosphere. I wish I had a solution, or knew the step to take. I suspect one of the root causes is the narrative, e.g. from news agencies, is being controlled by the propagators of the problem.

Again with the left vs. right. Are you really that easy to divide into two diametrically opposed groups?

This is also a key part of it. People should explore the complexity instead of treating this as team sports. I think we have a genetic disposition to this sort of thinking, but can overcome it.
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