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Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#52I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.
Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.
What happened in the early 2010s?
1980s widespread adoption of electronic fuel injection - this is generally a good thing, cars become more complex but run better more of the time
1990s widespread adoption of more advanced emissions control systems - for reliability i'd say this is only a backwards step - none of these systems are required to propel the car down the road but many of them can stop a car from driving. They are additional complexity, weight and cost for limited functional benefit (in this generation, fuel economy improvements were fairly small compared to the leap from carbs to EFI in the previous gen).
2000s widespread adoption of on-car networks, the emissions diagnostics technology introduced in the previous decade was now no longer the primary use of on-car networks. Now your car stereo knew how to increase its volume as your road speed increased etc. screens became larger and colourful. Onboard software (typically bug ridden) became a security risk.
2010s widespread adoption of telematics maybe? That was more mid-late 2010s though
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#53> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
I suppose such system is mandatory in a car when it's sold, such after sales changes would be fine as safety is not directly impacted.
Source: my daily drive is a car without a modem on European roads, no problem.
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#54I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.
There's no way they're going to keep a modular car functioning for years without relying on frequent software updates.
You can just not connect to the internet and then it does not matter if software in your car is 1 month or 20 years old.
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#55> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
eCall is sending GPS location after the crash, microphone is not necessary.
eCall is also opening up a two way communication with the emergency line, so they can gather more information. Might be helpful if your microphone does work in that case.
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#56> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
It's mandatory for cars to be manufactured with it, but obviously not for all cars to have it since the are many older cars on the road without it.
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#57> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
It's mandatory for cars to be manufactured with it, but obviously not for all cars to have it since the are many older cars on the road without it.
That's true, only cars build after March 2018 need to have it. If you car is older you're fine.
Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network
#58> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.
I suppose such system is mandatory in a car when it's sold , such after sales changes would be fine as safety is not directly impacted. Source: my daily drive is a car without a modem on European roads, no problem.
Well, safety is impacted, but it seems to be up to you. If you want to go down like _a real man_ because your car couldn't call emergency services that's your choice. Other people might (hopefully) make another choice.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…
This is not the direction that the software is going in. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/05/carplay-ultra-the-nex...
CarPlay Ultra sounds like it's extending it further? That is, it's still essentially VNC† with some data fed from the car and rendered by the phone, but now with multi-monitor support.
† it's more complicated than that, but still a dumb framebuffer.
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#60The govt should fund $1,000,000 bug bounties on these vehicles. If anyone succeeds in remotely gaining access to the mic, car companies are fined $100,000,000.
I think that's more likely to get companies to remove mics than to make them secure.
I'm genuinely struggling to think of downsides in that. Surely the most 'secure' microphone is the one that doesn't exist in the first place?