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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by Aaron2222 »

vishnugupta wrote: post #41
Szpadel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait, you need internet connection to even login? this means root cannot use computer when you do not have internet connection for any reason?

I’m not in Windows ecosystem for more than 25 years now. But I had to buy couple of windows laptops for sales team at my business. I tried very hard but windows wouldn’t allow me to set it up without first creating Microsoft Account online. I’m in Apple ecosystem, not that they are significantly different but they atleast allow me to use the system albeit in limited capacity. I’m seriously considering going back to L…

> I’m in Apple ecosystem, not that they are significantly different but they atleast allow me to use the system albeit in limited capacity.

Define "limited capacity". Other than Apple Services like iCloud, FaceTime, iMessage, Apple Music/TV, etc, it should just be the App Store that's unavailable without an Apple ID (which _is_ crippling on iOS, but not so much on macOS).

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by Springtime »

Hojojo wrote: post #48
Springtime wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me back at the Xbox One launch where notoriously an employee arrogantly said that always online DRM is fine and defended it when pressed by saying why would anyone want to live in an area with unreliable internet. He left Microsoft after the backlash.

Was it Don Mattrick, the head of Xbox at the time who left Microsoft two months after unveiling the Xbox One? https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/e3/a489371/microsoft-e... > Microsoft executive Don Mattrick told GameTrailers in an interview that was filmed just before E3 that he understood why some people are frustrated at their policies. > "Fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form…

It was Adam Orth (aka 'Sweet Billy') but clearly others shared similar views.

Sony capitalized on the larger always online controversy with a low budget ad poking fun at the concept[1], which was great marketing.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by agilob »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by zakki »

nullify88 wrote: post #13
bsdetector wrote: post #10

In October when Windows 10 support ends it'll finally be the year of desktop linux.

Well, those that are on the Windows 10 IoT LTSC builds will enjoy updates until 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows...

Do you know where to buy it?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by donnachangstein »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

> I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store

2017 called. It wants Windows S Mode back.

Needless to say it still isn't very popular. But this has been around for 8 years now

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by miohtama »

userbinator wrote: post #35
soraminazuki wrote: post #11

It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.

It's an argument for increased security in the same way that they consider uploading the contents of your hard drive to their servers to scan for "malware" (and other undesirable-to-them content) is. Corporate authoritarianism.

The trick is that most of the users need this service. Before Windows Defender was built in you had to buy an anti virus software from sneak oil Windows security industry, and likely get somehow scammed in process.

The same companies sell anti virus for Android today.

Also most users is not all.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by yonatan8070 »

vishnugupta wrote: post #41
Szpadel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait, you need internet connection to even login? this means root cannot use computer when you do not have internet connection for any reason?

I’m not in Windows ecosystem for more than 25 years now. But I had to buy couple of windows laptops for sales team at my business. I tried very hard but windows wouldn’t allow me to set it up without first creating Microsoft Account online. I’m in Apple ecosystem, not that they are significantly different but they atleast allow me to use the system albeit in limited capacity. I’m seriously considering going back to L…

There was a trick to bypass the online account requirement. You press Shift+F10, which launches a command prompt, then use `oobe\bypassnro`. This reboots the system and adds a button to set up offline.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by ungreased0675 »

Windows 11 is the reason I’ve returned to Linux after a decade away. Microsoft doesn’t seem to be concerned about killing the golden goose. I wonder if they have data on just how much hostility users are willing to put up with?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by samiv »

donnachangstein wrote: post #55
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

> I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store 2017 called. It wants Windows S Mode back. Needless to say it still isn't very popular. But this has been around for 8 years now

Yep, the technology is already there.

Just a question of time before they flip the switch for good and force it down everyone's throat and call it "enhanced security and user experience".

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by ashoeafoot »

bboygravity wrote: post #37
CrossVR wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for what? Make number go up? If it's just another data collection scheme the at least I could understand why.

Because the NSA pays them to. Why did they do to Skype what they did (first turn it from p2p to centralized and spyable and then just ignore it and let it die)? Same reason.

i wonder if some Estonian could justvrerelease the p2p originals . After all as america deteriorates its own influence , at some point the lawyers of the big 4 will be seen as barely disguised tendril of a hostile power in Europe . Who cares about your sales contracts if the president goes for Greenland . We might see a SkyEarthFireWater-Open source re-release one day. Just another tradewar anecdote .
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