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Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by otterley » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 5:02 AM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #47

otterley wrote: post #30

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I too support cutting government waste, provided it's done right. The problem is that currently it's being done with all the grace of a hippo in ice skates. A good manager does things methodically, not spastically. If he were advising well, we wouldn't have to keep calling important people back to work. You also don't have to believe Musk is an actual Nazi to believe he should be careful in how he presents himself. W…

We are broke. We're out of good options.

Your opinion is inconsistent with the vast majority of economists and financial analysts.

The government has the taxing power to remedy any shortfalls. If the country were truly in bad shape financially, we would have to pay much higher interest rates and our bond rating would below the highest grade there is.

I don’t know who you’re listening to, but whomever they are, they’re not very well informed, or at the very least, they’re at odds with the smart money.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by baskinator » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 5:33 AM UTC

_ea1k wrote: post #44

baskinator wrote: post #17

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I've been shopping Ford Mavericks and they have no incentives other than a 3 year lease. They are hot because they are filling a market niche that is in-demand. Incentives are priced accordingly. Low demand, high incentives. High demand, low incentives.

They also have annual sales of ~140k globally. The Y is closer to 1.2M. Even in the US, the Y sells ~2x as many as Maverick.

Ford can't make them fast enough, apparently

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by ein0p » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 5:51 AM UTC

otterley wrote: post #51

ein0p wrote: post #47

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We are broke. We're out of good options.

Your opinion is inconsistent with the vast majority of economists and financial analysts. The government has the taxing power to remedy any shortfalls. If the country were truly in bad shape financially, we would have to pay much higher interest rates and our bond rating would below the highest grade there is. I don’t know who you’re listening to, but whomever they are, they’re not very well informed, or at the very…

The "opinion of economists" is why we'll be paying $1T+ in interest on our debt this year, and why we print $2T a year and haven't balanced the budget in well over two decades. I have kids. I'm not going to saddle them with crippling debt to provide circumcision in Zimbabwe or to replace the Taliban with better armed Taliban.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by mentalfist » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 6:10 AM UTC

littlestymaar wrote: post #42

gnatman wrote: post #39

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Yikes. Why are they deprecating those features?

Nobody knows why apps makers change the UI every years either…

Companies update their UI to stay modern, improve usability, align with new design trends, enhance performance, and differentiate from competitors. It also helps keep users engaged, address feedback, and integrate new features more seamlessly.

In theory at least.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by otterley » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 6:27 AM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #53

otterley wrote: post #51

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Your opinion is inconsistent with the vast majority of economists and financial analysts. The government has the taxing power to remedy any shortfalls. If the country were truly in bad shape financially, we would have to pay much higher interest rates and our bond rating would below the highest grade there is. I don’t know who you’re listening to, but whomever they are, they’re not very well informed, or at the very…

The "opinion of economists" is why we'll be paying $1T+ in interest on our debt this year, and why we print $2T a year and haven't balanced the budget in well over two decades. I have kids. I'm not going to saddle them with crippling debt to provide circumcision in Zimbabwe or to replace the Taliban with better armed Taliban.

As I said before, there’s nothing wrong with looking at our finances and making cuts to things we think are wasteful. But there’s a right way to do things, and that’s according to law, and with careful exercise.

I just hope you’re not teaching your children that behavior like Musk’s and Trump’s is to be emulated. I fear that more than debt.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by chneu » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 6:34 AM UTC

gaganyaan wrote: post #48

rayiner wrote: post #43

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How can you possibly like someone throwing around literal Nazi salutes? Are you unaware of that?

Believe it or not, tons of people don't care about that. It's something that I have to constantly remind myself of.

They either agree with it, don't care, or it isn't important enough.

It's good when people openly admit to it because then an actual conversation can take place. When people make up dumb reasons or just won't say the truth it leads to pointless discussion.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by chneu » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 6:47 AM UTC

otterley wrote: post #25

ein0p wrote: post #4

As someone in the market for a Cybertruck, this doesn't look like desperation to me. These are fairly standard perks. Now a low APR _and_ free FSD, that'd be a serious incentive. That's what I'm waiting for.

Why do you want one?

100% the only reason anyone would buy a cyber truck is ego and/or attention.

They're bad at everything you'd want a truck for. They're impractical and have high upkeep costs.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by chneu » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #53

otterley wrote: post #51

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Your opinion is inconsistent with the vast majority of economists and financial analysts. The government has the taxing power to remedy any shortfalls. If the country were truly in bad shape financially, we would have to pay much higher interest rates and our bond rating would below the highest grade there is. I don’t know who you’re listening to, but whomever they are, they’re not very well informed, or at the very…

The "opinion of economists" is why we'll be paying $1T+ in interest on our debt this year, and why we print $2T a year and haven't balanced the budget in well over two decades. I have kids. I'm not going to saddle them with crippling debt to provide circumcision in Zimbabwe or to replace the Taliban with better armed Taliban.

How much Rush do you listen to?

The guy who welded my exhaust and tasted my transmission fluid to tell me how "synthetic tastes terrible" says the things you do.

All that dude listens to is fear mongering conservative media that constantly misrepresents reality to make people feel scared. Everytime I walk into that shop I hear scared white dudes talking about things that aren't actually happening to justify their weird stances on issues they know nothing about.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by scarab92 » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 7:06 AM UTC

littlestymaar wrote: post #41

otterley wrote: post #24

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I'm not going to go that far. He can invest in whatever he wants; if he owns a non-controlling amount of Amazon or Home Depot shares, I'm not going to stop shopping there.

Amazon isn't a great example though as Jeff “algorithmically controlling workers body” Bezos is only marginally less evil than Musk.

Tall poppy syndrome.

The entirely logistics industry tracks worker productivity closely.

Amazon are actually one of the better companies to work for. Their targets are more realistic, the pay is generally better, safety culture is much better and the facilities are air conditioned.

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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Post by MarkMarine » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 7:49 AM UTC

gnatman wrote: post #39

MarkMarine wrote: post #9

Sold my Tesla model 3 performance about a year ago, and it wasn’t because of politics. Tesla continuously deployed breaking changes to my car without my permission. Autopilot, parking sensors, rain sensing wipers that just became absolute garbage… every new update was an exciting journey through the features of my car that used to work and now didn’t. Couple that with depreciation of a 68,000$ car to 19,000$ in two y…

Yikes. Why are they deprecating those features?

The broken them. I had a model 3 with ultra sonic parking sensors and radar, they said the cameras alone were enough and started rolling out auto pilot and self park and such to only depend on cameras because of parts shortages during Covid.

The wipers are what really stuck in my craw. Because the car had great rain sensing wipers before, there was no button to turn them on or adjust the speed. It was buried in touch screen menus. Then during some autopilot update they ruined the rain sense, so you’re 3 menus deep on a touch screen while it’s raining (no autopilot, cause rain) to keep adjusting it.

They basically gave up trying to fix it and made the setting easier to access, popping up when you hit the windshield wash button on the stalk.