If they have to buy a new computer they will just buy a Macbook...what a stupid way to loose customers.
You seriously don't understand most computer users.
Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#52Sticking software you don't like on the malware list feels like a disaster waiting to happen during discovery in an anti-trust suit.
Microsoft has been there before, this is right out of their playbook. On the verge of being deemed a monopoly is right where they like to be
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#53I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).
Older hardware isn't always slower hardware. Intel 6950X is unsupported. That's 10 cores at 3.5GHz. It's about 10x faster multicore and 2x faster single-core than a modern, supported Intel Celeron N4500. Moore-style scaling where chips are faster (rather than just denser) ran out a while back. Expensive computers from a decade back beat cheap computers of today. A modern 20-core PC is perhaps 1/10th the CPU cost as c…
In the same boat with one of my user's 6950x. Ridiculously fast machine over its lifetime, and still doesn't trip on much.
Unreal that a 64GB machine with plenty of love to go around is getting the shaft.
I could muck about with a TPM module because the mobo has a header, and there are supported chips on the market, but the 8th gen requirement is a dealbreaker.
I'm trying to get this user to just go Mac, but it's like pulling teeth.
If they insist on a new machine, then maybe I'll make it my BSD box.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#54With recent developments (last 10ish years) of electron, proton, wine and everything moving to the web I don't need windows anymore. Installed ubuntu on 5 year old thinkpad and it works like a charm, even JetBrains IDEs are available from the app store. I tried windows 11 on that laptop but it was sluggish.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#55I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).
File explorer take 2 seconds to load for me, FILE EXPLORER! It should be milliseconds. Microsoft engineers are asleep at the wheel. Edit: This is on a brand-new workstation BTW
Yes, it is slower (but it has gotten better), but now that I have a tabbed explorer, it's really hard to go back to the single-window per dir version.
I'm sure there's a performant 3rd party extension that would fit the bill, but I'm too lazy atm.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#56SteamOS cannot come to PC soon enough
I wonder what its install base will be like.
Tim Sweeney (of Epic/Unreal/Fortnite) is not a reliable narrator, but he's on record saying:
> Valve has done an amazing job there; I wish they would get to tens of millions of users, at which point it would actually make sense to support it.
Windows has never been my primary system, but there are times when I've had one because I wanted to do something (long ago 3D modeling, now PCVR) that wasn't supported on my main systems. If I could do that just as easily in e.g. SteamOS, Windows would once again exit my life.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#57install linux, get vmware pro for free and install win 11 in a VM. VMWare emulates TPM so it will run like a charm. Only thing you need is 8Gigs or so extra ram. plus you have the benefits of running windows in a VM. No backup problems, snapshot funcionality, etc etc. works absolute fine for me
Does VS studio work fine too?
MS is treating you so badly that you want to switch to Linux, but you still want to use Visual Studio? Hmmm
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#58I really have no choice but to install Linux now. The nag screens in Windows 10 are already getting unbearable. The over 5 year old system is still running games at high detail just fine (3950x CPU, 2080 GPU, 32Gb ram running at 2k resolution). TPM 2.0 was finalized in Nov 2019 after the above system was built. Hardware isn't progressing that quickly anymore which makes a hardware requirement like TPM 2.0 very arbitr…
> A bit like when MS bought Skype and moved it from peer to peer voice to a central server based system with no monetary gain from doing that, someone obviously decided that needed to be done.
This one is less nefarious, IMHO. Sure, a central server makes it easier to snoop. But, it also meant you could reliably get messages sent while you were offline. Skype had been built around desktops with consistent connections, but needed to adapt to intermittent connectivity of laptops and barely any connectivity of iPhone. Older smart phones like s60, blackberry, and windows mobile could support always on background apps, but iPhone only has very limited background execution, and it was originally much more limited... now you can do a voip push and do some communications before you post a notification, but around the the time of the change, notifications had to be composed on a server and sent fully formed --- there was no way to run code on push.
And supernodes had already been centralized.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#59I'm mainly a Mac guy these days but when the time comes for my Windows 10 machines, I'm sorely tempted to put a Linux distro on them. I don't really game and mainly use it for ham radio programs.
You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.
+1 Steam works wonderfully on my Ubuntu VM.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#60As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.
One of the goals of "trusted computing" was supposed to be remote attestation. This was to be a secure unfalsifiable attestation to server that the client computer was running a secure environment that didn't allow bypassing restrictions.
EG in the best of all possible worlds for Microsoft your work, your bank, and Netflix would all refuse to run if you weren't running Microsoft. Realistically Mac is way to big to ignore but it would be awfully convenient if comparative small fries like Linux could be locked out especially if developers could be convinced that running Linux as a locked down service within windows was the only things they need.
On a less suspicious note the TPM enables a convenient way to secure client machines that are owned by your company in such a way as to make it very difficult to access the data therein without manually managing keys.