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Re: DIY B&B

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Post by sp332 »

tgrass wrote: post #46
sp332 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit OK I misunderstood. skip this post :) Yes, of course. Starting with the obvious, your landlord could just throw you out. Your agreement almost certainly prevents you from making significant changes to the structure of the building. You can't sell the property. Your rights are much, much less than your neighbor.

"As proxied BY my landlord" I am speaking of my rights in the community, not to the property. That is, should there be a speed bump on the street, should a WalMart be allowed to build on the condemned lot around the corner.

I think it's still true that you have somewhat less rights since you're not (directly) paying the property taxes.

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Post by hell0_th3r3 »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #11

Just about every year for as long as I can remember, my family has taken a summer vacation at a beach about 300 miles away. We always stay in a hotel. Over time, the beach has gotten tacky. Big billboards. Lots of nightlife. Amusement park rides. All kinds of things that reek of Las Vegas, but not so much a relaxing family vacation. So this year we decided to try something different. I got onto VRBO online and picked…

don't be so sure. in los gatos a woman tried to turn her lovingly restored victorian into a bed & breakfast and vigilant neighbors shut it down. people who are paying $1 mln and up to live in a neighborhood will know what is happening and will vigorously defend their zoning

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Post by mseebach »

tgrass wrote: post #46
sp332 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit OK I misunderstood. skip this post :) Yes, of course. Starting with the obvious, your landlord could just throw you out. Your agreement almost certainly prevents you from making significant changes to the structure of the building. You can't sell the property. Your rights are much, much less than your neighbor.

"As proxied BY my landlord" I am speaking of my rights in the community, not to the property. That is, should there be a speed bump on the street, should a WalMart be allowed to build on the condemned lot around the corner.

Then you're moving into tautological territory. Those rights are held by your landlord. If he proxies them to you, then you have them, if he doesn't, you don't.

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Post by hell0_th3r3 »

brigade wrote: post #31
tgrass wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HOAs are a whole different beast when it comes to the discussion of markets and property rights. You choose to join an HOA.

Not really, for most areas you cannot not join an HOA when you purchase a house, and there are no houses that are not covered by an HOA in said area.

thats irrelevant. ultimately, you chose to buy the property, and your name is at the bottom of the contract that says "i hereby agree to follow the rules of the HOA"

check it, i am certain you signed something like this

Re: DIY B&B

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Post by nostromo »

cletus wrote: post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

You're forgetting that this problem is already solved by contract law.

Tenants sign agreements not to rent out their units all the time. Home owner's associations often have rules against short-term rentals as well.

If you don't like the idea of short-term rentals in your neighborhood or building, choose one protected by one of these types of contracts. In fact, they're so common, you probably already have such protections, even if you don't know it.

The government making something illegal really should be the last resort for societal problems. I'm not convinced short-term rentals are really so harmful as to meet that threshold.

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Post by sharkweek »

blaines wrote: post #34
sliverstorm wrote: post #15

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... telling me who I can or can not have over to stay. They aren't telling you who you can or can not have over, they are prohibiting you from having temporary guests that pay. Why? Well, an establishment that houses temporary guests traditionally has to answer to health & safety codes and regulations. Under-the-radar AirBnB rentals circumvent that system. You'd probably get similar kickback if you tried running an i…

I received an email with my airbnb listing and couchsurfing listing attached saying I can't keep either online otherwise I'll get a fine. It wasn't my main source of income, and I'm not running a business. In fact, I'd rather not have someone on my couch every day, I like my space. I'm saying it should be my choice to have a kid from Massachusetts, a student from Spain, or a grandmother from South Carolina, or my fam…

would the loophole here be to just post availability and list an email address then keep all discussions of payment offline?

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Post by hell0_th3r3 »

makmanalp wrote: post #10
blaines wrote: post #8

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I had to take my couch offline because my HOA threatened to fine me. No more visitors, no more foreign friends. :( It seems the first wave of enforcement has come from HOAs, I've heard of various people having to remove their listing for that reason. [1] Now it appears, according to the article above, municipal authorities are pushing back. Could this be a result of lobbying from hotels? Vacation rentals is not a new…

HOAs make me want to puke. Why did you agree to join anyway?

ever had a neighbor who suddenly decides to stop caring for their property? when you live eighteen inches away from them, it matters. this is the allure of an HOA for some - it enforces minimal standards. you are of course free to not live there if you think its too uptight

Re: DIY B&B

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Post by tsieling »

cletus wrote: post #26

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the negative reaction to this here. The HN demographic is presumably tilted towards young men. What those criticisms seem to be neglecting is that those--particularly for apartment buildings--these temporary visitors impact beyond just you. In Australia, for example, one useful metric used by people when assessing apartment buildings to buy in is to look at the ratio of owner-occup…

What does gender have to do with opinions about whether someone should be able to rent out a room in a building they own?

Renters don't tend to look after properties. No, that's why it's called rent and they have property managers or landlords who have that responsibility. That said, I've been in my rented place for 12yrs and take good care of it, as do other tenants in our building. Myth busted.

How would I feel if someone opened a brothel? Not great, but then AirBnB doesn't really cater to brothel operations, and those don't usually fly by night so what point that is supposed to make other than setting up a BS false dichotomy (restrict renting or live with the sex trade next door).

Bars and clubs are regulated by zoning, so how would that ever happen?

The point is that a scummy hotel industry is trying to hedge out competition by using deep pockets to lobby local government into reinforcing their monopoly. Making apologies for them puts you against people like the guy in the article: hard times, tries to make a few extra bucks and gets shut down by the five cops at his door. Sound like America to you? Sound like he was opening a brothel? Look him in his unemployed eye and call the cops on him while you do.

Re: DIY B&B

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Post by fra »

While I would be the last one to shed a tear for the hotel industry that's seeing it's too-old business model disrupted by airBnB and the likes, I feel like more regulation of the temporary hosting industry is needed.

What's to stop someone from acquiring a bunch of property in, say, Paris and put it all up on airBnB?

"What's the problem with that?" you ask? Well, this makes housing more expensive (you now have to compete with that industry), further gentrifies residential neighborhoods, and pushes the middle class further away from the desirable spots.

I haven't thought all of this through, but perhaps a rule requiring lodgers to live at least 1mo/year full time in the place for rent would be useful?

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