Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 109 posts

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#51

Post by Terr_ »

Barrin92 wrote: post #26
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

>Something like World ID will eventually exist It's called a national ID with an eID feature and I've been using it to verify my age when I order booze online for like a decade. It cost 5 bucks extra when I renewed my id the last time. What do I need an eyeball scanning orb and a crypto coin for something that every developed or for that matter half developed government invented in like 2010?

I agree that the crypto/blockchain angle is stupid, since it only makes sense in a completely hypothetical future where somehow governments ceased to exist or don't have identity management as one of their core functions. (For some people, this is less of a system-design oversight and more of an agenda.)

That said, there's always potential to improve privacy with some clever algorithms: A lot of naive approaches would make it too easy for a government or vendor to have lots of information about your activities that they don't really need or deserve to have.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#52

Post by AyyEye »

Philadelphia wrote: post #33
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

If we’re dealing with an all-powerful Skynet intelligence, or even a WOPR or Wintermute, won’t it just figure out how to bypass the verification system?

How smart your AI is depends on whether you're selling the poison or the antidote.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#53

Post by fragmede »

sebastiennight wrote: post #43
Centigonal wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You stand in front of the Orb. The Orb scans your biometric data and stores it in Sam's Database (Sam says he doesn't own the database, something something blockchain good of humanity - but Sam doesn't "own" OpenAI either). Once the Orb gathers enough people's biometrics, the Orb will become the gatekeeper for transactions. The Orb will verify your identity and humanity. Sam's Database will be more precise than your…

> National governments will use Sam's Database to assign Universal Basic Income Didn't the big UBI study come to the conclusion that UBI didn't work (meaning, folks in the control group without UBI were better off at the end of the study than those who received it)? Honest question ; I'm fuzzy on the details.

That was the conclusion Pete Judo came to: https://youtu.be/oyoMgGiWgJQ

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#54

Post by rasz »

Wasnt there a scifi movie about mysterious Pod/Sphere showing up promising to teleport people to another world, but then it turns out it was all a conspiracy by a crazy scientist and all the scanned people were just disintegrated to help out Earth ecosystem recover from overpopulation? Hmmm there it is https://www.reddit.com/r/NameThatMovie/comments/190d0fb/im_l... Deus (2022)

TLDR: Orb eyeball scanning might be first step of some crazy Population control conspiracy :)

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#55

Post by anonymousab »

game_the0ry wrote: post #13
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

> Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in AI. No thanks. I would prefer to just opt out.

Anonymity and lack of accountability/a target to attack on the internet is just a huge pain in the ass for most governments and corporate interests.

It is also useful, to some extent, for bot farms, propaganda, opinion influencing and spycraft. But if you're a government controlling the "internet id" for your or other nations, then you can easily make affordances for whipping up a "valid" fake digital personage.

That it still exists is a technical and political challenge that will eventually be resolved. There's too much money and soft and hard power to be gained by getting rid of it.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#56

Post by labster »

llamaimperative wrote: post #12
akira2501 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It soon stopped being about that I submit that it could never have actually been about that. It may have been out of the states control but it was far to technocratic and dependent on first movers so it was always going to leave behind the class of people you hoped it would most benefit. > the original spirit of Bitcoin Is effectively "you don't need permission." That's _it_. People projected quite a bit onto that.

Yep, it was very obviously going to produce landgrab dynamics. Like... it would be utterly astounding for someone not to see that from day one.

All of the banks and state regulation keep getting in the way. It’s like there’s a fence in the middle of a path — all we need to do is get rid of the fence and everything will obviously improve.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#57

Post by modeless »

wbobeirne wrote: post #45
modeless wrote: post #15

I get that this solution is distasteful. But verifying humanity on the Internet is a real problem that is getting harder and more important very quickly. CAPTCHAs aren't going to work much longer. What is a solution that people can live with?

I think this is a totally valid question. My answer would probably be to have people actually pay for more things. I think a huge proponent of something like World is advertisers, who want to make sure that real human eyeballs are seeing your ads. But if you pay me money, I don't care if you're a rogue AI botnet running amok, I'm happy to serve your request.

So Twitter Blue/X Premium is the model of the future?

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#59

Post by AyyEye »

pvaldes wrote: post #23
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

The market for fake eyes made on resin and plastic seems to have a brilliant future. Soon most of all 'certified 100% humans' talking on internet will be animatronic heads without a brain. Same as today

The orb is a multi-spectral imager with extreme zoom, liquid lens, and very tamper hardened. They'll be everywhere.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

#60

Post by AyyEye »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #24
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

It is genuinely kinda fascinating, because, lets face it, based on what we are seeing now, short of omega swan event ( black swan events seem too common lately ), it will actually be a problem that will need to be solved. I am just mildly annoyed that solution to prove I am human is to effectively give last parts of me that are.

> I am just mildly annoyed that solution to prove I am human is to effectively give last parts of me that are. What a poetic way to put it.
Post reply on HN