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Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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https://xcancel.com/RealJosephus/status/1832904398831280448

First time I see xcancel. Seems to be faster than the x-thread thing. Has it been around for a long time?

Looks to be a fork of Nitter which has been around a while. I'm guessing they've found a temporary way to get around Twitter's limits.

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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Context: someone announced a Llama 3.1 70B fine tune with incredible benchmark results a few days ago. It's been a dramatic ride: - The weight releases were messed up: released Lora for Llama 3.0, claiming it was a 3.1 fine tune - Evals initially didn't meet expectations when run on released weights - The evals starting performing near/at SOTA when using a hosted endpoint - Folks are finding clever ways to see what m…

I was following the discussion on /r/LocalLlama over the weekend. Even before the news broke that it was Claude not a Llama 3.1 finetune, people had figured out that all Reflection really had was a custom system prompt telling it to check its own work and such.

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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It's also amazing that GlaiveAI will be synonymous with fraud in ML now, because an investor decided to fake some benchmarks. The founder of GlaiveAI, Sahil Chaudhary also participated in the creation of the model.

I wonder if the other investors will sue.

It looks like Replit's CEO Amjad Masad is one of them.

https://glaive.ai/blog/post/seed-round

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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It's amazing what people will do for clout. His whole reputation is ruined. What was Schumer's endgame?

But does reputation work? Will people google "Matt Shumer scam", "HyperWrite scam", "OthersideAI scam", "Sahil Chaudhary scam", "Glaive AI scam" before using their products? He wasted everyone's time, but what's the downside for him? Lots of influencers did fraud, and they do just fine.

> Lots of influencers did fraud, and they do just fine.

Since the current created legal landscape does not punish fraudsters they keep doing it and succeeding. Same thing as society allowing people to fail upward.

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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It's amazing what people will do for clout. His whole reputation is ruined. What was Schumer's endgame?

But does reputation work? Will people google "Matt Shumer scam", "HyperWrite scam", "OthersideAI scam", "Sahil Chaudhary scam", "Glaive AI scam" before using their products? He wasted everyone's time, but what's the downside for him? Lots of influencers did fraud, and they do just fine.

Sure, it's complicated. The core of the AI world right now isn't that large and in many ecosystems it's common for people to speak to each other behind the scenes and to learn about alleged incidents regarding individuals in the space. Such whispering can become an impediment for someone with a "name" in a space, even if not necessarily a full loss of their reputation or opportunities.

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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Okay, let's think this through step by step. Isn't 'reflection thinking' a pretty well known technique in the AI prompt field? So this model was supposed to be so much better... why, exactly? It makes very little sense to me. Is it just about separating the "reflections/chain of thoughts" from the "final output" via specific tags?

Even though this was a scam, it's somewhat plausible. You finetune on synthetic data with lots of common reasoning mistakes followed by self-correction. You also finetine on synthetic data without reasoning mistakes where the "reflection" says that everything is fine. The model then learns to recognize output with subtle mistakes/hallucinations due to having been trained to do that.

But wouldn't the model then also learn to make reasoning mistakes in the first place, where in some cases those mistakes could have been avoided by not training the model on incorrect reasoning?

Of course if all mistakes are corrected before the final output tokens this is fine, but I could see this method introducing new errors altogether.

Re: Confirmed: Reflection 70B's official API is a wrapper for Sonnet 3.5

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With this being a fraud, does anyone have opinions on the approach they took? It seems like an interesting idea to let the model spread its reasoning across more tokens.

At the same time it also seems like it’d already be baked into the model through RLHF? Basically just a different COT flow?

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