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The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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Kahlúa (coffee liquor) also has caffeine, obviously.

It does, but not very much according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caffeinated_alcoholic_...

It's about 1/3 as much as Four Loko (45mg vs 150mg) when you scale up the alcohol to match. (Less, but not insignificant.)

Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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I always thought the litigation and regulatory pressure over this was misplaced. Consuming a single serving of the most outrageous product described in the article (22oz, 12% alcohol, 156mg caffeine) is not acutely dangerous to a healthy adult who isn't about to drive a car. Chugging multiple of them is a bad decision of course, but it's just as easy to drink other alcoholic beverages to excess - perhaps easier with…

I donno, it must something awful if Oregon bans you (Oregon decriminalized “heroin, methamphetamine, PCP, LSD and oxycodone” [0]): On November 20, 2010, Oregon Liquor Control Commission's five citizen commissioners held an emergency meeting resulting in a 4-1 vote on the ban. [1] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_110 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Loko

Those were different points in history.

Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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Very few adults, especially if we’re talking 40+, are healthy. By that age almost everyone has high blood pressure or asthma or a bad knee, or whatever.

I know a lot of healthy adults in their 30s and 40s.

And 50’s and 60’s even.

Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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You'd have to ask for more than three and a half shots of vodka to match the alcohol in a 22oz Four Loko can.

As someone from a country where when you ask for a drink, you get like 3x as much vodka as you would in the UK or US, when I was young I typically drank vodka with lemon soda, but when I lived in the UK I switched to vodka red bull. The reasoning was "so little vodka does nothing so let's see if at least the red bull does something" which was at least partially true, although still didn't make up for the lost alcohol…

> I've never seen these energy beers (not sure if they were even sold in my country or countries where I lived)

If you were in the UK, you might have seen "Buckfast Tonic Wine" [1]

It's a fortified wine rather than a beer - but it's 15% ABV with 30mg/100ml caffeine, and comes in standard-sized wine bottles.

Apparently, Buckfast accounts for 0.5% of alcohol sales in Scotland but it's responsible for 80% of public intoxication incidents.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine

Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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They weren't actually called energy beers. In the US, they fall under the same legal category as beer, which is "malt beverage", but beer is just one type of malt beverage, drinks like Four Loko are another. They're closer to drinks like "hard lemonade" or "hard tea", which aren't beer. They're made by adding malt liquor to some flavored drink.

The author must have just been trying to be cute, because yes, they were never referred to as energy beers. In fact, Four Loko was so popular that the brand itself suffered from genericization, where all caffeinated malt liquors were colloquially referred to as Four Loko

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Re: The electrifying rise and litigious fall of energy beer

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Millennials will talk about four loko the same way their parents talked about lawn darts

You can’t buy lawn darts anymore. Every bar will make you a vodka redbull.

> Every bar will make you a vodka redbull.

we call them "espresso martinis" now

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