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Not 100% sure but it almost seemed that it was in self drive mode. Or, the guy with MIT sticker at the back was just a bleeping bad driver.
They are making things worse for everyone.
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First off, Tesla 'self driving' isn't a self driving system. Read their letters to the California DMV and ignore their marketting, including their choice of names. Second, radar wouldn't be better here. Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed. Using radar, it's difficult to determine the height or shape of a potential…
Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed. This is false. Radar assisted cruise control definitely do not ignore stationary objects above a certain speed; indeed, detecting stationary objects is a fundamental part of how emergency braking systems work... Other automakers are simply better at determining what objects are…
> Sam Abuelsamid, an industry analyst at Navigant and former automotive engineer, tells Ars that it's "pretty much universal" that "vehicles are programmed to ignore stationary objects at higher speeds."
Chevrolet says [2]
> At speeds between 5 and 50 mph, Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) can help you avoid or reduce the severity of a collision† with a detected vehicle you’re following using camera technology. It can automatically provide hard emergency braking or enhance the driver’s hard braking.
They don't specifically say it won't detect stationary objects on this page, but a vehicle you're following will have been in motion, or you're not following it.
Consumer reports describes several types of AEB [3], none of which mention stationary objects.
If you've got a reference that suggests that driver assistance features stop for stationary objects outside of parking speeds, please provide a link.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/why-emergency-braking-s...
[2] https://www.chevrolet.com/support/vehicle/driving-safety/bra...
[3] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/automatic-em...
It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…
AFAIK the latest betas have switched to a cutting edge “transformer” model (or models?). I wonder if it’s prone to hallucinations like its LLM cousins. On a different note, I like how Mercedes changes the color of external lights when in self-driving mode to make others aware. A bit like outsourcing the responsibility externally - but maybe this is the way forward until the tech is reliable/better than people.
When was their vision system not glitching? A year ago it was seeing the moon on the sky as a perpetual yellow traffic light.
> “ It was unclear if the driver would be cited.” They admitted to being on their phone. This is an easy choice
In aircraft, legal liability is unaffected by whether the autopilot is on; the pilot in command is responsible no matter what. I see no reason for cars to be any different.
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I mean, it's to be expected. Most driving infrastructure is designed for human eyes and brains, including flashing lights on police cars. If you redesign the driving system from scratch to work on silicon and not brain, you pretty much expect its failures to not look like the kind of failures we're used to. Even if it's objectively better, with a lower accident rate, lower fatality rate and so on, it will occasionall…
> redesign the driving system from scratch to work on silicon Nobody proposed this. My Subaru can lane keep even in whiteout conditions (if there is a car in front of me) due to radar. I can’t do that. Tesla’s can’t do that. > it will occasionally do something as stupid looking as "drive into a police car with flashing lights on" Two sensors operating on different wavelengths can add more information than a single do…
Tesla took out the non-visible detectors for cost savings alone. I don't get anyone who every believed otherwise.
"Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car responding to fatal crash": https://youtu.be/ukq6h55GnvE
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