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Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by sho_hn »

Something1234 wrote: post #31
nolongerthere wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone MS has given up on mobile as a OS or device category. In fact I’d argue MS has given up on the entire OS sector, as a revenue stream Windows is increasingly less relevant to their bottom line. They only see windows as a way to bring other applications (read: advertising) to their users but not as a means unto itself. Ask your…

I have a feeling plenty of talent is interested in it. They're just not sure how to break into the role.

Contribute to open source projects.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

lrvick wrote: post #43
nadsaeae wrote: post #25

What does this mean for Apple’s product positioning on privacy?

They just simply keep repeating that they care about privacy and people will continue to believe it as long as the product UX is good.

How hasn’t Apple lived up to your expectations? Please stop flooding this thread with these empty comments.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by detourdog »

lrvick wrote: post #41
nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Some developers have a crazy attitude about what they should be able to do and what the customers want. I would guess that a good portion of Apple customers consistently choose Apple products to avoid the developer attitude above. The smugness is truly off-putting and unlikely to create a good customer experience.

Somehow the developer feels enlightened and has taken on the mission of saving Apple customers. Apple customers can be quite technically literate and want a platform that keeps the developers at a distance. This is the feature one of the key features.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #30

Is there going to be an option to use other model with same level integration or is it as anti-competitive as usual?

Not allowing for whatever customisation any particular nerd wants is not ‘anti-competitive’. Have you ever actually written software for public consumption? If some HN user told me that me not allowing them to swap out a dependency is anti-competitive I’d be quite within my rights to call them psychotic.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by rgrmrts »

ksec wrote: post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

They did, and the Surface Duo and Surface Duo 2 were complete failures. The software was awful (I had both).

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by adamomada »

lrvick wrote: post #41
nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option

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Post by nolist_policy »

beretguy wrote: post #39
mrweasel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple should consider an iPhone/iOS light, a version stripped of anything but the bare essentials. I get why they don't, the market isn't big enough, and they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE.

> they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE. They need to stop making phones every year. Most people in the world already have phones and don’t need a new one every year. They also need to make 4 inch phone, like iPhone SE 1. That was the perfect size for a phone.

But people need a new phone eventually. If you continuously manufacture phones anyways you might as well update the hardware while you're at it. (It also helps with keeping the price up at >1k)

I for one wouldn't buy a one year old new phone. Used sure but then the price is right.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by bayindirh »

Loic wrote: post #45
diggan wrote: post #40

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Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training: Model improvement Improve the model for everyone [ ] Allow your content to be used to train our models, which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.

Are we absolutely positive that the cables for that switch is connected somewhere, anywhere*?

*: Except a little LED which glows when you throw the switch.

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