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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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The Europeans have done some good work on things like privacy, but as for Apple and their app store, it's really trivial to simply not buy an iPhone . There are lots and lots of other phones out there that aren't nearly as monopolistic in their treatment of users.

To start: There absolutely should be limits to what kinds of devices can be sold. E.g., they should not be dangerous to operate. If you can't make a lawnmower that doesn't harm people, it's OK for governments or the EU to tell you that you can't sell lawnmowers. It's also OK to enforce standardization in e.g. electrical sockets and other basic infrastructure. This should not come down to "consumer preference" - _espe…

>An obviously absurd analogy is if a hammer company was somehow able to force you to use their brand of nails and wood and charge you per annum for the use of whatever you built. We did not have previous legislation to handle this situation, because simple physics means that can't happen. But with modern-day complicated tools, it can, and so some regulation of this sector is absolutely needed.

Is it though?

To extend your analogy, let's say you can go to the store and buy a hammer. One brand ("Granny Smith"), and only that brand, has these limitations and it's pretty well-known these limitations exist if you buy that hammer. Or, you can buy one of the other dozen or so brands of hammer, and you don't have that limitation.

But because the Granny Smith hammer is pretty and has slick marketing, half the hammer buyers get that brand of hammer, even though the other hammer buyers call them idiots for doing so.

Is this really a place where we need government intervention, when consumers are willingly making this choice?

If it got to the point where you couldn't realistically do any hammering without a Granny Smith hammer, then sure, it's pretty obvious action is needed. But right now, it's only a problem because half the buyers are happily choosing Granny Smith despite all the alternatives (which generally have more features and cost less). Even worse, they say they like these limitations, and don't want them removed!!!

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Again, Apple does not have a monopoly, or anything approaching it. 50% marketshare is a lot for a single vendor, but it's not even close to 100%, and there are plenty of viable alternatives which apparently a lot of people don't want to consider because it isn't "cool" enough for them.

again, this has nothing to do with 'market share' (of smartphone devices i think you mean?)

It kind of does, since the gatekeeper status is bound to how many users a platform has.

I’d also like to mention that EU anti-trust law talks about „dominant position“ and not about monopolies. And any Company with more than 40% market share are in a dominant position.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

Neither is NYC, Philadelphia or Chicago!

Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia.

Not a good example, to be honest.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong , but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced t…

> would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom"

We are so accustomed to the nanny state, we are afraid when we are left to our own devices and our God given brain. How can we possibly survive without our overlord telling us what is good and what is bad?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong , but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced t…

You could use parental control, to keep your parents safe :P

Unfortunately, I cannot, because we live in different countries and Apple "families" have to all be in the same country.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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post #29

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The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

Let’s steer clear of bitter partisanship and hyperbole, please. Freedom is a complex and nuanced concept.

I don’t gel I’ve any European country claims to be “home of the free” while massively limiting pretty much any freedom other than gun ownership

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

Neither is NYC, Philadelphia or Chicago! Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia. Not a good example, to be honest.

NYC is the only city on that list with any real restrictions. Much easier on Philly than any European country, and the European countries are still tougher than NYC.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

In many eu countries you can get a suppressor much more easily than in the US, also you can own guns (handgun, shotguns, rifles, semi autos) in most places and carry guns in a lot of them if you have a reason to

Suppressors, absolutely true.

Owning guns is a different story. In the US, it's actually easy to do. Austria and the Czech Republic are the closest to US average, and it's still significantly harder.

Also, most of the US has permitless carry. If you can own the gun, you can carry it, period.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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that it's taken this long for an iOS clipboard manager (using obvious SDK controls) is nutty.

Agree, and the fact that apple can still enforce an obviously inefficient and stupid workaround is even nuttier. > The first version I tried used the user’s location to remain active, but was rejected by Apple. Testut then updated Clip with a Map feature — so there’s a reason for the app to remain active in the background — to receive approval. Yes, I'll admit that I prefer some limitations on background processes in…

  they allow it but only after the app adds some pretend functionality which makes the user experience worse for everyone.
or nefariously worse. how curious that "verification" is extended only after the app implements a location 'ping', which is inevitably reported to or observed by the system.

the more i think about it, i honestly wonder if it hasn't taken this long because Apple's been reluctant to reveal and therefore open up to public scrutiny any sense of what the system does with clipboard functionality and/or its contents 'behind the scenes.'

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong , but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced t…

You could use parental control, to keep your parents safe :P

This is a better idea than the joke suggests at first.

With great responsibility should come great authority.

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