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A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Well I guess there's more freedom in the US for Apple to do whatever they like!

at least some of Apple's chickens would finally appear to be coming home to roost, and us in-the-know Americans appreciate those in-the-know Europeans for leading the charge (on both this antitrust protection and separately, GDPR/privacy regulation as well).

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

Remember that freedom isn’t a resource that a society can have more or less of. Freedom of one person or group always comes with a restriction of freedom of someone else. It’s a delicate balance, not a “do whatever you want” kinda thing.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong, but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced to loosen this control is a net bad.

If you want to root your phone and install all sorts of weird system-level tools, I have no idea why you'd choose an iPhone in the first place. That kind of thing is virtually the raison d'etre of Android.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

Remember that freedom isn’t a resource that a society can have more or less of. Freedom of one person or group always comes with a restriction of freedom of someone else. It’s a delicate balance, not a “do whatever you want” kinda thing.

Under that framework, we're talking about shifting the balance towards customers, at the expense of reducing freedom for a corporation to squeeze their customers and suppliers.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong , but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced t…

They likely would not be in this position if they weren’t abusing it for an egregious fee. If they were noble, they wouldn’t have the fee. I think it’s more about holding profits captive than anything else.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess there's more freedom in the US for Apple to do whatever they like!

at least some of Apple's chickens would finally appear to be coming home to roost, and us in-the-know Americans appreciate those in-the-know Europeans for leading the charge (on both this antitrust protection and separately, GDPR/privacy regulation as well).

The Europeans have done some good work on things like privacy, but as for Apple and their app store, it's really trivial to simply not buy an iPhone. There are lots and lots of other phones out there that aren't nearly as monopolistic in their treatment of users.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

Remember that freedom isn’t a resource that a society can have more or less of. Freedom of one person or group always comes with a restriction of freedom of someone else. It’s a delicate balance, not a “do whatever you want” kinda thing.

Yes, I remember a nice quote from some book, some French complain about slavery in the land of the free and the american responds something like "america is land of the free, we are free to have slaves"

So freedom for Apple is more free in USA to screw customers, like those Aplle custoemrs are prevented to be shown some informational text, if users know to much is bad for Apple.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that freedom isn’t a resource that a society can have more or less of. Freedom of one person or group always comes with a restriction of freedom of someone else. It’s a delicate balance, not a “do whatever you want” kinda thing.

Under that framework, we're talking about shifting the balance towards customers, at the expense of reducing freedom for a corporation to squeeze their customers and suppliers.

Yes, in this case the freedom of the company to milk the customers AND the developers on its platform is restricted, but the freedom of consumers is protected.

This is possible because of the powerful regulatory body that is the EU. Regulation and interventionism give the public more freedom. This might be hard to swallow for a proponent of lessez-faire policy.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

I'm in two minds about this. You're not wrong , but I would be terrified if my parents had this "freedom". If some popular app required them to give it full access to their phone, they would do it, and they wouldn't understand the risks involved. I have always recommended Apple ecosystem products to my family specifically because it is relatively hard to do the Wrong Thing, and I honestly believe Apple being forced t…

You could use parental control, to keep your parents safe :P
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