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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Their CEO needs to go, he has no tech vision

CEO helps profits and ensures stock price. Engineers only spend money. Who should go? /s

Look at Tesla and Nvidia in recent years. Exciting innovations can cause stock prices to soar completely independently of the company's fundamentals.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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I think you're just in for a rude awakening if you expect the Google from 20 years ago. It's no longer a scrappy startup, it's closer to Microsoft at this point.

The thing that struck me about Google is that it's a really well running machine. The documentation is all there, the build system is easy, and just about every issue is fixed with a single form submitted or email sent. You quickly develop a very high standard for how an organization should function.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I was working on Google Trust Services. My job was genuinely interesting. Bad upper management (immediate manager was absolutely 10/10) was the reason I ended up leaving.

The worst manager I ever had in 25 years of working in tech went to Google after she finally got fired at my company. Apparently there she fit right in.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do projects that get canned after a short time benefit the CVs of the managers who launched them? Serious question.

Up and out: launch something, get promoted, move onto the next team, what happens afterwards is the next guy's problem. And of course the next guy won't get promo for maintaining the last guy's thing, so he's incentivized to nuke it and build his own shiny thing. This can be observed in any large company though, not just Google.

I think many companies would keep that kinda stuff internal, though. Google just allows them all to be published publicly and then killed off a few months later. There is really no good reason for 14 different Google chat apps to have become a public meme.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Google does plenty of stuff well, but what's their last big exciting new product or even new feature? Bard is good but they're chasing OpenAI. Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung. Or YouTube Shorts and Tiktok. It all seems directionless or stagnant, like the bad old days of Microsoft.

> Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung

Market share wise but not feature wise. Everyone is chasing them in regards to photo quality.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Google does plenty of stuff well, but what's their last big exciting new product or even new feature? Bard is good but they're chasing OpenAI. Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung. Or YouTube Shorts and Tiktok. It all seems directionless or stagnant, like the bad old days of Microsoft.

The only exciting announcements from Google are the discontinuation of services

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Google does plenty of stuff well, but what's their last big exciting new product or even new feature? Bard is good but they're chasing OpenAI. Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung. Or YouTube Shorts and Tiktok. It all seems directionless or stagnant, like the bad old days of Microsoft.

Do you mean, Google is one CEO change away from turning it around, like Microsoft did ?

More like Sundar is one bad conference away from a viral video of him running around on stage covered in sweat yelling "Shareholders! Shareholders! Shareholders!"

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Agreed. They get paid $400k-$600k a year to do 10% work and slack off the rest of the time. Then started complaining when Google told they needed to start actually working.

I mean just look around you everyone's getting fired but you don't see the same smarmy "look at me" behavior from other companies' employees.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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> “I guess I will just hang around and do my job until Google no longer wants me,” she finished her post. Welcome to having a regular non-union job? There's several billion other people in the club. It's not exciting, and you will be let go whenever the company wants a boost in their financials. There's also no free snacks or chefs, but you (at Google) still get a bigger salary than anyone else in the world with your…

Perhaps not popular but, if you're getting paid well, the work is tolerable enough, the grass is often not actually greener somewhere else, you have mouths to feed, maybe you're close to retiring/semi-retiring, etc. continuing to hang around for a while isn't necessarily the worst strategy.

I probably wouldn't do it indefinitely but it can make sense to hang around for a while.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Agreed. They get paid $400k-$600k a year to do 10% work and slack off the rest of the time. Then started complaining when Google told they needed to start actually working.

Work? Who's that? ... Is he a colleague?
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