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Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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I guess a significant number of employees are just working really hard on things that don't matter. When every single thing that needs working on is already being worked on, a lot of people are going to be doing busy work. There was a post by Stevie Yeggie where he talked about working at google. he looked really hard to find a new project to lead but absolutely everything was already being worked on, he found. event…

But isn't that just bad management / prioritization? Isn't the solution to just shuffle people to more useful projects instead of firing them? Especially at a company that hires general engineers who can work on any project, and also at a company that has a lot of internal tooling which makes ramping up new engineers slow and tedious. They'll probably grow back to 190k within a few months, but those 8k new hires will…

You're pointing to poor leadership which isn't an uncommon refrain coming from people who know Google.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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Google Cloud made $864M in profit in a single quarter, more than ever before. Google Bets lost $86 3 M in the same period, much less than ever before.

I wonder if that is good news. You can look at it either as they slowed how much money they pour into the moonshots incinerator, or they stopped investing in potential unicorn lines of business.

Most of the difference is explained by an increase in revenue while holding expenses constant:

"Other Bets, which includes the Waymo self-driving car business and the Verily life sciences unit, reported revenue of $657 million, up from $226 million the year prior. Its loss narrowed to $863 million from $1.24 billion."

So revenue up 400 million, and losses dropped by 400 million.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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I guess a significant number of employees are just working really hard on things that don't matter. When every single thing that needs working on is already being worked on, a lot of people are going to be doing busy work. There was a post by Stevie Yeggie where he talked about working at google. he looked really hard to find a new project to lead but absolutely everything was already being worked on, he found. event…

But isn't that just bad management / prioritization? Isn't the solution to just shuffle people to more useful projects instead of firing them? Especially at a company that hires general engineers who can work on any project, and also at a company that has a lot of internal tooling which makes ramping up new engineers slow and tedious. They'll probably grow back to 190k within a few months, but those 8k new hires will…

Good luck finding useful projects for 180k people. That's just a ridiculous amount of people and projects.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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This caught my eye, total employees - 2022: 190,234 - 2023: 182,502 Total increase in revenue of 10 billion. Not sure what conclusion to draw from this, but being a software engineer I found employment count interesting. Though 5% change in head count seems hardly major.

I guess a significant number of employees are just working really hard on things that don't matter. When every single thing that needs working on is already being worked on, a lot of people are going to be doing busy work. There was a post by Stevie Yeggie where he talked about working at google. he looked really hard to find a new project to lead but absolutely everything was already being worked on, he found. event…

The key word is "meaningful" and that's going to vary depending on the employee's interests. I transferred a few times at Google. When I looked at internal job listings, there were lots of jobs that I didn't want to do.

I suspect that many good jobs went to people who learned about them in some way other than official job postings. (This is generally true.)

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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Summary from the release for Q4: - Revenue increased from $76B to $86B (13% increase) - Operating income increased $18.1B to $23.7B - Net income increased $13.6B to $20.7B - Diluted EPS increased $1.05 to $1.64

Okay so why is GOOG -4% in after hours this time? :)

For a distributed decision-making method like the market, there is no single reason.

Every buyer and seller has their own price and own reason for it.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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I don’t know if it’s the actual reason, but they missed ad revenue expectations according to Yahoo. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-today-nasdaq-fal...

Hm there it says Revenue, excluding traffic acquisition costs: $72.32 billion vs. $70.97 billion expected ($63.12 billion in Q4 2022) Adjusted earnings per share: $1.64 vs. $1.59 expected ($1.05 in Q4 2022) Cloud revenue: $9.19 billion vs. $8.95 billion expected ($7.32 billion in Q4 2022) Ad revenue: $65.5 billion vs. $65.8 billion expected ($59.04 billion in Q4 2022) I hope that 0.3 is not the reason for that slip h…

Considering the massive amount of ads on YouTube now there seems to be something amiss. Are the ad rates going down?

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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But isn't that just bad management / prioritization? Isn't the solution to just shuffle people to more useful projects instead of firing them? Especially at a company that hires general engineers who can work on any project, and also at a company that has a lot of internal tooling which makes ramping up new engineers slow and tedious. They'll probably grow back to 190k within a few months, but those 8k new hires will…

the problem is there's not enough high value projects to do. to much labor, too many employees and too much funding relative to the number of projects that actually bring value. Because all the high value stuff(high ROI stuff) is already done or already being worked on. all that's left is low ROI projects which take up huge amounts of time but bring little value. employees and managers know they generate little value…

Of course there are enough high-value projects to do. You just need to be willing to experiment, expand horizontally, and let your employees go out on a limb with new ideas; something that no corporate leadership anywhere has ever been willing to do. They didn't run out of valuable problems to solve, they just have shit-ass worthless leadership just like every other (public) corporation in America.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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I think they have proved that it's a incinerator at this point.

Waymo _might_ be the sole survivor here... they are ABSOLUTELY trying their damndest with it. It's remarkable to not go a single day without seeing a driverless Waymo doing its thing. (I live in Central Phoenix, they're _everywhere_.) The core concept is being proven pretty well, in markets with good weather and good roads at least... whether they can achieve some sort of critical mass that allows them to recoup any…

> I expect they'll be functionally useless in bad winters

Google expanded testing in Buffalo, NY in November 2023, including new sensor hardware: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1aedrmy/ne...

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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Google Cloud made $864M in profit in a single quarter, more than ever before. Google Bets lost $86 3 M in the same period, much less than ever before.

Thomas Kurian is awesome - trained by Larry Ellison no doubt :).

The most consistent thing I hear in the hallways is "I really hope they don't make TK the CEO."

People in cloud are profoundly unhappy. It's scary.

Re: Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Results [pdf]

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But isn't that just bad management / prioritization? Isn't the solution to just shuffle people to more useful projects instead of firing them? Especially at a company that hires general engineers who can work on any project, and also at a company that has a lot of internal tooling which makes ramping up new engineers slow and tedious. They'll probably grow back to 190k within a few months, but those 8k new hires will…

Good luck finding useful projects for 180k people. That's just a ridiculous amount of people and projects.

There are more than just SWE's employed at google. Custodial, food service, administration, operations, HR, etc...
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