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The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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Much of what I read – on linguistics, art cinema, or art music – is published by academic presses. No matter how much a scholarly publication might interest the general public, those books are usually priced at a level where only university libraries, and occasionally hired faculty, are expected to actually buy them. The retail price of what I have read in the last month alone already goes into the thousands of euro.…

Just a data point here but I am an aspiring author who negotiated with several university presses and ended up going with a small independent press instead and I strongly disagree on the audience you mentioned in your first paragraph. That may be the built in readership, but authors desperately want to reach larger audiences, even through academic presses, and often can exert little independent control over pricing.…

As I said, what I have read in just the last month from academic presses goes into the thousands of euro. No individual reader is realistically going to spend all that. And especially not when one is in Eastern Europe and makes a fairly typical living here.

Furthermore, I question your claim that me purchasing a scholar’s book would benefit hurting authors. At least within my own discipline (I’m an occasional researcher when a funded project comes along, and I have published on a number of occasions) authors do not materially benefit from publishing a monograph, getting an article into a collection, or serving as an editor of a collection. It’s all for prestige/career advancement alone. In fact, the PDFs on LibGen are sometimes surreptitiously uploaded by authors themselves, who have little love for the big academic publishers like Brill.

There are two cases in my own discipline where authors do care about sales. One is textbooks, and the other is a case where a group of scholars came together to found their own press so they wouldn’t have to deal with the big corporate publishers any more. But those do not form a significant part of my own reading.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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post #40

Kindles now read Epubs just fine. Mobi is a deprecated format. You have to email the Epub to your Kindle account, but that's the only bit of friction from that side. From the other side, DeDRM(doDRM) and the KFX input plugin can remove the latest Kindle DRM, and Calibre can convert the AZW folders to an Epub.

> You have to email the Epub to your Kindle account, That's horrible just to think about it.

There's also a "Send to Kindle" app that lets you just drag and drop the file.

It's hard to get any less complicated than that.

The Kindle doesn't even have to be connected to your computer.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

#53
post #26

It should be illegal to say "buy" when you don't get full rights. Call it "rent" or "lease", but "buy" should only mean "buy".

You don't get 'full rights' when you buy a regular book, car or house.

You get a commonly understood set of rights which critically includes the right to re-sell it.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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> Unfortunately, if the book is DRM-protected (very likely!), you would need to strip out DRM before conversion which is downright illegal LMAOOOOOO!!!!! Isn't it legal to circumvent DRM for personal use?

In the general sense, no.

There are very specific exceptions to prohibitions against DRM circumvention, but many of those are so encumbered as to be useless. The standards and regulations addressing these are long, complex, and difficult to parse.

See Cory Doctorow's discussion here: "The new DRM-breaking exemptions just dropped" (2021-10-28) https://pluralistic.net/2021/10/28/clintons-ghost/#felony-co...>

And the US Federal Register, "Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies" (2021-10-28): https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/28/2021-23...>

I see listed: educational and derivative uses; accessibility of audiovisual works; accessibilty of literary works; medical device data; the unlocking, jailbreaking, and repair of computer programs and systems; security research; software presentation; video game preservation; and 3D printers.

But as a general exemption "for personal use", nothing at all.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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post #26

It should be illegal to say "buy" when you don't get full rights. Call it "rent" or "lease", but "buy" should only mean "buy".

You don't get 'full rights' when you buy a regular book, car or house.

Those rights of ownership tend to be governed by universal standards such as fee simple ownership (of real property), or within the US, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which is established at the individual state and territorial level, and includes both perpetual ownership and resale ("first sale doctrine) rights, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code>

"Licenced" usage rights are individually prescribed, at least at the level of individual products and licensors, and may well be specific to individual transactions. The specific rights granted or denied may be changed at any time without notice as well, or simply revoked outright, which has occurred numerous times in the case of digital works, rather notoriously with a version of George Orwell's 1984 sold^Wlicenced from Amazon, Inc.:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106989...> (NPR, 2009)

"The Kindle Lawsuit: Protecting Readers From Future Abuses" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/08/kindle-lawsuit-protect...> (EFF, 2009).

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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> have never paid for an ebook at all Not snarking, genuine question: how do you expect the authors to make a living creating and writing the content you enjoy reading if you don’t pay for it? Do you only read content that authors publish for free?

As someone who left the book industry because it was so easy and accepted to steal books, as if they just grow on trees.

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Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get 'full rights' when you buy a regular book, car or house.

Those rights of ownership tend to be governed by universal standards such as fee simple ownership (of real property), or within the US, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which is established at the individual state and territorial level , and includes both perpetual ownership and resale ("first sale doctrine) rights, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code > "Licenced" usage rights are individuall…

You can 'buy' a house with a restrictive covenant or an airline ticket you can't resell. The idea that 'buy' has some simple universal meaning and you're going to get Amazon for not using it properly is fanciful at best.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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Some valid points here, but there's also a little bit to be said for the stability of Amazon. For now, at least. I've bought an ebook or two directly from the author and I'm not sure I could find them any more, so it feels more like my money went up in smoke. Another thing I don't love about those "buy it from me directly" people is they're not submitting their work to reviews. Yes, there are problems with review sys…

I buy direct from authors wherever possible. No problems so far. I don't trust reviewers (and definitely don't trust Amazon's review system).

I maintain my own library using Calibre. I have a directory on my laptop that has my books in it, and use Calibre to maintain and access it. I back it up onto an external hard drive about once a month.

I briefly experimented with creating a Gitlab repo to store books in, so that it was at least as safe and secure as my code. But it's just easier with Calibre. Also I didn't feel entirely comfortable using Gitlab's free service for something other than what it is intended for, and I've learned the lesson that storing things long-term on free accounts isn't wise.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those rights of ownership tend to be governed by universal standards such as fee simple ownership (of real property), or within the US, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which is established at the individual state and territorial level , and includes both perpetual ownership and resale ("first sale doctrine) rights, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code > "Licenced" usage rights are individuall…

You can 'buy' a house with a restrictive covenant or an airline ticket you can't resell. The idea that 'buy' has some simple universal meaning and you're going to get Amazon for not using it properly is fanciful at best.

Yes, it is true that there are certain restrictive covenants which can apply to real property.

However, those covenants, deed restrictions, etc., etc., are themselves limited and governed by both local/state and federal law, to the Constitutional level in the US (e.g., restrictive covenants based on gender, race, and/or religion are utterly prohibited and unenforceable).

Real estate transactions are also exceptional among those being discussed here in that they almost universally involve multiple lawyers for multiple parties (buyer, seller, lender, buyers' and sellers' estate agents, possibly individual representatives for individuals buying a house together in some cases, e.g., family law / marital disposition of property concerns). Which is to say that this is a very high-overhead and complex transaction.

Which is precisely the opposite of what makes, in general, retail commerce possible.

When I go into a shop and purchase an apple, or a prepared meal, or a set of dishes or cookware, or a toaster, or a magazine or book ... I select product, pay (via cash, debit, or credit), and the transaction is closed, with certain exceptions for warranties and the like, though those have limited applicability for most of the items mentioned.

There are also distinctions in corporate and government purchasing, of both goods and services, where there is often (though not always) a substantial administrative overhead involving contracts and committments, though the two parties are typically operating as equals to at least a first approximation.[1]

And yes, there are other exceptions such as contracts of adhesion (you may find these on travel fares, parking services, and the like), though these both 1) are uniform for all transactions between a given vendor and their customers and 2) are very frequently also subject to strong regulation and limitations as to terms and variability.

But to state that there are no transactions in which ownership rights are near-total and all-but-universally uniform is utterly misleading. To all practical intents, there are purchases in which full rights in at least the material object do in fact manifest.

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Notes:

1. There is of course a range. National-level governments are often the more powerful party in purchase arrangements, whilst local (city, county, and often even state- or provincial-level governmental units) may be the inferior party. But both typically have at least some transactional support for tenders, and institutional expertise, not found in general retail transactions.

Re: The Bitter Reality of Ebooks and the Kindle Model

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can 'buy' a house with a restrictive covenant or an airline ticket you can't resell. The idea that 'buy' has some simple universal meaning and you're going to get Amazon for not using it properly is fanciful at best.

Yes, it is true that there are certain restrictive covenants which can apply to real property. However, those covenants, deed restrictions, etc., etc., are themselves limited and governed by both local/state and federal law , to the Constitutional level in the US (e.g., restrictive covenants based on gender, race, and/or religion are utterly prohibited and unenforceable). Real estate transactions are also exceptional…

None of this changes the fact that there are lots meanings of 'buy', they include the buying of things with limited resale, redistribution and modification rights and nobody is going to make it illegal for Amazon to label their buttons 'buy' when they sell ebooks.
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