Live data from Hacker News

TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

vice.com

51–60 of 171 posts

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#51

It’s not just young teens generally: my wife is involved in left-wing Jewish organizations in the United States and young Jews are increasingly more skeptical of Israel’s importance to their Jewish identity. I wouldn’t say it’s quite a majority at this point but it’s a sizable enough chunk that they’re starting to become noticed by mainstream media outlets.

This is so interesting to hear. I am not Jewish, but am interested in asking my Jewish colleagues what they think about the war. But not interested--or close--enough to them to ask them about this. I think I'll search for more young Jewish perspectives around the web.

It is complex in some ways, though to be clear the nature of the assault on Gaza seems hard to justify from my view.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Actually, I interned at the ACLU doing immigration work challenging Trump administration policies, and a lot of us voted against Trump and Republicans, so what is your point? You think that if an American didn't physically storm immigration detention centers and rebel against the Federal government they can't call out a country engaging in rage-induced revenge in the form of the slaughter of civilians? "armchair virt…

Everything about us all is buzzwords with no meaning

From my reference frame your language is no more interesting than mine

I know the effort to memorize language norms and propagate them makes you feel important but from my reference frame none of you are

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#53
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.…

Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".

Ww2 Japan was bombed by the United States and thousands died after they launched a surprise attack which killed thousands of Americans including hundreds of civilians.

Palestine launched a surprise attack killing thousands and now they face the same thing.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#54

What do you see on social media? On Instagram, I only see pro Palestinian posts. I might have seen 2 pro Israel posts since this whole thing started. Just for reference I'm from Portugal and my network surely skews a lot towards left-wing people.

On X I went through and blocked a bunch of popular accounts that I previously had no real attraction to but was fine with seeing in my “For You” page every now and then, after they went full pro-Israel (Growing Daniel, Eigenrobot, some others probably).

After that the feed was generally pro-Palestinian. But I also just grew sick of seeing all the war in general and logged out of X on all my devices and deleted the credentials from my password manager. I feel better off without it.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#55
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do teenagers care about this particular tragedy and not Syria or any of the horrors in Africa? Surely it can’t be the scale of killing since there are far worse civilian death tolls in conflicts around the world.

Probably because their president isn't on tv endorsing those horrors, funding them with their tax dollars and in general having their mainstream media champion them.

[deleted]

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#57

It’s not just young teens generally: my wife is involved in left-wing Jewish organizations in the United States and young Jews are increasingly more skeptical of Israel’s importance to their Jewish identity. I wouldn’t say it’s quite a majority at this point but it’s a sizable enough chunk that they’re starting to become noticed by mainstream media outlets.

The least isreal supporting senator in the USA is coincidentally the only ethnically Jewish one as well, Bernie Sanders.

The Jewish left has always been isreal skeptic, including the Jewish left within isreal.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#58

That's like saying young people being against the Vietnam war was a product of media bias. Maybe it was true, and it was a good thing.

Many here would have said it's a complicated both sides issue (such as framing it as terrorists vs colonizers) and that neither side can be supported, given their current stances evident in this thread. Do you condemn the Viet Cong? Did their choice to use violence justify America's violence against them?

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#59
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do teenagers care about this particular tragedy and not Syria or any of the horrors in Africa? Surely it can’t be the scale of killing since there are far worse civilian death tolls in conflicts around the world.

“Care” about a tragedy is entirely meaningless. Protest of your government’s policies to perpetuate a tragedy is slightly more meaningful. Not by much, granted. But slightly more.

Never saw a single protest when Obama was dropping a bomb every 20 seconds in 2016. I guess the noble peace prize made it okay.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a shallow take. How about: people learned about the situation between Palestine and Israel and root for human rights and ability to live in safety.

> That's a shallow take. deep takes are automatically superior ?

If they account for more details, sure. They usually are.

Take the comment originally responded to. Hamas is more of an underdog than Palestine, yet the public opinion we're discussing here is pro-palestinian, not pro-hamas.

Post reply on HN