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Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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On the contrary, not having people working on the structure needed to support this kind of effort seems to be more short-sighted.

Now that just doesn't ring true. Uncountable millennia passed where virtually everyone had to work on "the structure" and we didn't get anywhere interesting. The nurses of today would have been the shamanic healers of yesteraeon, but the vast difference in their abilities to actually deliver cure come entirely from the work of countless researchers and technologists.

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Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

I believe it is a valid perspective that the corporate economic benefit behind "everyone can code" is to use the widened supply of developers to push down salaries. But I think the origin of this movement is actually a grassroots movement that seeks better opportunities for the individual. If today comparatively more people can make the thing, maybe making the thing is only as important as planning to make the thing.

The capital's endeavor is to identify relevant ideas, opportunities, phenomenons, and back them proportionally to their potential.

The grassroot movement would have been 1% of what it has become in size, yet would have achieved far better results in pumping out great enginners.

What have we seen instead? a massive injection of enginners, most of them not belonging to the tech industry altogether. Fooled into it for the compensation bait or to escape a field they probably loved that dried out in demand for labour.

For the most part. At least for a significant part. For sure with a very impactful effect.

A sad diagnosis we can make is, on one side a large number of poorly and insufficiently trained enginneers with hardly any chance to build the necessary foundations to grow, on another side a shrinking ratio of great enginners who are seriously starting to struggle carrying heavier weights, and on the opposite side high up management not even sure to notice spending marginally fewer dollar per head count but significantly more dollar for subpar outcomes.

On a more people wellbeing note, of the many fooled into becoming a fullstack enginner in 12 weeks, not only did they believe it since many indeed got the job, they also got fooled into believing they actually liked that job.

High comp doesn't turn people from zero to hero. Only love or at least genuine interest does.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

It doesn't seem like there are enough experienced software engineers, at least in certain fields. Native mobile seems to be a tight market. Getting your foot in the door is hard though. Nobody wants to hire a junior.

Why don't they hire a react native developer and train them up on swift or kotlin?

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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_All_ apps are CRUD apps.

Although I agree with the thought, not all apps are CRUD as there are many apps that are -R-- only.

Yeah, but some -R-- is harder than others. Streaming video is much more difficult than a text-only blog.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

I have learned from two different clients that it's easy to hire a "cheap" contractor to create a website/app. Getting value out of it is really difficult, though.

If you're not technical, it's difficult to formulate the problem succinctly enough that priorities are obvious and non-negotiable to the contractor. Mind you, as long as they have other clients, they have no incentive to work on the most important things first; they'll bill the hours either way. In fact, the longer they can punt the final piece that makes you happy, the more they earn.

So even if we replace my coding skills with HAL2000, I'll just continue up the ladder and help people build software development plans to feed ChatGPT, or its contractors. Writing code is easy; writing code with a purpose is hard.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

#56

Tech unemployment is still extremely low, so these articles always feel a bit off by not mentioning that.

> Tech unemployment is still extremely low How do you know that? Does the government know that or does it only count those applying for unemployment 'benefits', which i) aren't paid for long and ii) don't even suffice to pay the rent if you live in the S.F. Bay Area. I'd rather think that most who lost their job in the tech industry moved on, i.e. work in a different sector or bide their time in an area of lower cost…

There's tons of data published all the time by various sources that are easily searchable. If you don't trust those, that's fine, but I think it's pretty reliable.

It sounds like the disconnect here is that low unemployment (around 2-2.5% last I checked) might be disproportionate in the demographics that it consists of - new grads, etc. So to them the market may look really bad but as a whole there are empirically a ton of jobs.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, not having people working on the structure needed to support this kind of effort seems to be more short-sighted.

Now that just doesn't ring true. Uncountable millennia passed where virtually everyone had to work on "the structure" and we didn't get anywhere interesting. The nurses of today would have been the shamanic healers of yesteraeon, but the vast difference in their abilities to actually deliver cure come entirely from the work of countless researchers and technologists.

The work of those researchers and technologists would have been impossible without the work of countless others who understood there were many ways to contribute.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

I like your take, and it makes sense; but there ARE less jobs out there.

Companies have less budget to spend on hires. Customers and clients have less to spend on digital.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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I'm surprised there is still so much friction about white collar jobs like programming. One could think that by now, it should be easy for developers to "jump into" a codebase and suggest changes (aka pull requests). Turning the world of developer jobs into a fluid system that adapts instantly to demand and supply. It works pretty well for Wikipedia, where everyone can jump in and edit articles. And then there is som…

Software is more complex than a Wikipedia article.

All Wikipedia articles have the same set of general conventions. Most software projects have their own conventions.

Complexity brings greater cost.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, not having people working on the structure needed to support this kind of effort seems to be more short-sighted.

Now that just doesn't ring true. Uncountable millennia passed where virtually everyone had to work on "the structure" and we didn't get anywhere interesting. The nurses of today would have been the shamanic healers of yesteraeon, but the vast difference in their abilities to actually deliver cure come entirely from the work of countless researchers and technologists.

None of which would be possible without mothers giving birth.
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